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4 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

Subs can also have regular cruise missiles. So probably something like a Tomahawk. That being said, the whole missile launch procedure sure looked like what we see in other movies for nuclear launches. I've no idea if the same procedure is applicable to all missile launches.

Pretty sure they said at one point they were going to launch a nuke.  And no, the whole double key thing isn't used for regular missiles (and that may even be a trope that isn't necessarily accurate for nukes).

Also...I take it that Gravik injected himself with the Extremis serum? (And I'm also guessing G'iah has as well...)

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1 hour ago, HokieStone said:

Ok, I'm dumb I guess.  Were they going to use a sub to launch a nuke to take down a single airplane?  That seems like...overkill.

Again, I don't think the whole sub plot (heh) was meant for anything else other than revealing where G'iah's loyalty was...something that would have worked a little better if the show had room to let a plotline like that breathe over more than 45 minutes or so...

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I quite liked the second episode but I thought the other two were rubbish. Although I did laugh out loud early in the first one when Emilia Clarke says ‘show your true form’ and the guy transforms into a person wearing an obvious green rubber mask. The two deaths seem unearned and don’t serve much purpose other than shock factor and getting Cobie Smulders out of a contract where her character has had shit all to do for ten years.

Also, spoilers I suppose although it’s just speculation 

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I agree Rhodey is definitely a Skrull. It’s his voice on the phone maybe but also he calls Fury Nick in the Berner’s Tavern scene and that’s apparently a thing where Skrulls trip up. ‘Nobody calls me Nick ..’

 

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I finally watched Quantumania. As someone who liked the first two Ant-Man movies, what I found striking is how little it felt like an Ant-Man movie. All of the charm of the earlier movies was gone—along with half the characters—and was refitted into something vaguely resembling Guardians or Thor. It was also disappointing how Wasp was sidelined, seeing as her name is in the title. I’m not sure if Cassie being a teen activist was supposed to be funny or not.

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18 hours ago, Spockydog said:

Saw Guardians 3 last night. Absolutely heartbreakingly brilliant. Gets a hard 10/10 from me. 

I think both Marvel and Disney are going to miss James Gunn, quite a lot. Most of their films seem to be either flopping or just barely breaking even this year.

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On 7/7/2023 at 3:53 PM, Jaxom 1974 said:

Again, I don't think the whole sub plot (heh) was meant for anything else other than revealing where G'iah's loyalty was...something that would have worked a little better if the show had room to let a plotline like that breathe over more than 45 minutes or so...

I think you're missing the point, though. The point is,

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this plot to reveal G'iah's loyalties involved actually taking over a nuclear sub and preparing to start WWIII. They didn't set it up so it looked like they were going to do that - they did it! Even if they always intended to abort, the plot was real, it is depicted as a thing that would have succeeded without G'iah, and it's therefore legitimate to critique it on those terms. It isn't a defence to say 'it was a red herring', because it was also real.

 

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Episode 4 of Secret Invasion: sigh. Jackson continues to be good, but the plot...

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Shortest episode yet, so no excuse as to why they didn't do more with Priscilla's motivations. Why was she on Gravik's side and not Talos's side? 

The episode blitzed through G'iah not being dead and resolving the tension between Fury and Priscilla, because they need a long(ish) action scene which ends with another major character dying, except now we can't trust the plot since the previous episode ended the same way.

Where did the POTUS land in England that they were in the country-side to be so easily attacked? The British didn't think about air cover? What happened to Rhodes? He was just chilling in his vehicle. We didn't see him trying to protect his cover when the tide of the battle changed. He's supposed to be War Machine, people will question if he just sits by the side.

This show should have had a minimum of 8 episodes, not 6. The story is now going to inevitably pick up, but I have a feeling a lot of things will be rushed.

 

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1 hour ago, Corvinus85 said:

Episode 4 of Secret Invasion: sigh. Jackson continues to be good, but the plot...

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Shortest episode yet, so no excuse as to why they didn't do more with Priscilla's motivations. Why was she on Gravik's side and not Talos's side? 

The episode blitzed through G'iah not being dead and resolving the tension between Fury and Priscilla, because they need a long(ish) action scene which ends with another major character dying, except now we can't trust the plot since the previous episode ended the same way.

Where did the POTUS land in England that they were in the country-side to be so easily attacked? The British didn't think about air cover? What happened to Rhodes? He was just chilling in his vehicle. We didn't see him trying to protect his cover when the tide of the battle changed. He's supposed to be War Machine, people will question if he just sits by the side.

This show should have had a minimum of 8 episodes, not 6. The story is now going to inevitably pick up, but I have a feeling a lot of things will be rushed.

 

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Rushed. The exact word.  8 or 10 episodes... or have rwelve broken into two sixes... if only to let some stuff breathe.

That was another great scene with Fury and "Rhodey"...I was extremely jealous of the bourbon...the scenes with Fury and Priscilla were also excellent, if too short.

Great excellent half straight into an absolute bonkers shoot out scene...which while ge really ridiculous on a lot of levels, it isn't that different from what you'd get from plenty of shows. The only part that I'm letting bother me, just a little bit, is the part where Gravik apparently left Skrull bodies behind that should have reverted upon death. Did no one else see Gravik use his Groot power also?

G'iah...no surprises there. I actually appreciated that that part wasn't dragged out...

 

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Well it wasn’t boring I guess. But damn that action scene made precious little sense. Thank god two old guys showed up in their H reg Land Rover with its spacious boot and remote door opening capabilities, armed with the same weaponry as the people already on the scene. Really turned the tide of battle that did.

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I liked that episode a lot better than the first three, perhaps surprisingly, as pretty much every revelation was exactly what people had predicted after episode 3.

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Yes, G'iah took the Extremis serum. Yes, Rhodey is a Skrull. Yes, Priscilla was ordered to kill Fury. Yes, Gravik has Groot powers as well as Extremis. And so on.

But it worked for me just the same. The early part of the episode is strong: Mendelsohn does wonderful work in that scene with G'iah, Cheadle and Jackson again elevate their scene (right down to the way Fury acts with 'Rhodey' - hamming it up and watching as the Skrull fails to react), and the scene with Fury and Priscilla actually had me thinking they might go there on a Disney+ show.

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I like how it came out, don't get me wrong, but I would also have loved it if she'd shot wide and Fury had killed her. That would have motivated him ten times more than Hill's death, and it wouldn't have been a fridging.

As for the action scene:

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I can handwave away where Gravik got attack helicopters and how he launched an assault with them in the middle of England, that's just another day for the MCU. Let's just say they had Skrull cloaking tech or something. Rhodey not intervening is going to be tricky for him to explain away but look at it this way: his cover's probably blown anyway if this mission fails. Or her cover? That was a female Skrull, right?

 

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I thought the Rhodey Skrull was female also...which was why the switch to Rhodey caught me slightly by surprise...do you think it could be a Skrull we'd already seen as a different human? Does it matter? Probably not.

As to the ending...

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What Rhodey Skrull will do, not certain, but the lack of reaction to the attack tells me that no one was meant to survive, so there was no need to act as though he/she was reacting...

 

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re: Rhodey

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Yeah, physiology indicated so-- but the glaring indicator for those who missed the features was the towel pulled up to the pits. :p

Definitely agree the series needed to be longer, I'm going to put some of the blame on Marvel getting cagey about the sorta worked sorta didn't vibe of their Disney+ series, the Showrunner's [apparent] inability to manage the writers room, and to fight for a more realistically paced and/or set up vision.

 

I like Emilia [My Queen] but this role for her, iono. Reserving judgment because

 

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Though her father's death might be set up for the big fight, she nevertheless seems to be straddling that line between the factions of Talos and Gravik, and I could definitely see her blaming Fury. Also, Gravik meeting his deserved end and G'iah becoming the Superskrull would be dope. Bring on F4, baby. Maybe we'll even get a nod in that direction before this series is over.

 

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Normally I’d be entertained by helicopters and machine guns but this show doesn’t need it. It needs more of SLJ and Ben Mendelsohn (and Olivia Colman) talking to people. Jackson being old is a problem in an action scene. It looks even more ridiculous than it does when he’s hobbling around in the flashbacks with his de-aged face.

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Hey, remember that kid from last episode? You know, Fury held a gun to his head and then Talos murdered his dad and then his dad turned out to be an alien?  (Was the kid an alien too?)

How much therapy do you think that kid's going to need?

 

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I keep hearing that Secret Invasion isn’t doing well. It’s hard to judge with streaming, but assuming this is true, does this make Emilia the unluckiest actress alive or the luckiest? On the one hand, she’s now been in three high-profile flops in a row (Terminator, Star Wars, Marvel), but on the other hand, she still keeps landing these huge roles despite the one before flopping.

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1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

on the other hand, she still keeps landing these huge roles despite the one before flopping.

I think most reasonable people would agree that a movie's succeess is not contingent or due to one actor in particular, non? Like, you can be in a movie that was not financially successful, but as long as you stood out as one of the better elements of it...like everyone remember how awesome Donald Glover was in Solo, and is still widely regarded as one of the movie's high points. 

Is Secret Invasion not doing well, in terms of ratings? I've not seen any of it yet, as nothing about it looks particularly compelling, to me personally. (Also, still icked out by the AI in the opening credits, which I didn't like and felt like a failure on Marvel's side.)

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