Why is Cersei hated so much when neither version is even in top 25 most evil characters of the whole Ice and Fire franchise (which includes the books, TV show and games)?

[kissdbyfire]

22 minutes ago, Alester Florent said:

But if you ask me who I dislike most, then Cersei will be much higher on the list, because she's a major, indeed, a regular PoV, character, and that means her unattractive qualities are front and centre and therefore occupy much more of the attention than do, say, Rorge's.

Exactly. And there’s also the fact that, unlike many (if not most or even all) of the minor non-PoV “evil characters” such as Rorge, Biter, Vargo, and yes, even Ramsay, Cersei’s had an incredibly privileged life from birth and that makes her more unlikeable and also worse overall as an individual. 

[boltons are sick]

OK, I agree. Being more hated doesn't equate being more evil. Let's end the discussion.

45 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Exactly. And there’s also the fact that, unlike many (if not most or even all) of the minor non-PoV “evil characters” such as Rorge, Biter, Vargo, and yes, even Ramsay, Cersei’s had an incredibly privileged life from birth and that makes her more unlikeable and also worse overall as an individual. 

Cersei might be a noble, but outside of Biter who literally had his tongue cut off and was forced to fight against dogs with his bare teeth, Cersei is still more tragic than all of these guys. And for the record, this is also the reason why Biter isn't listed as a Complete Monster while Rorge who did this to him is. None of the other three:

- Had Tywin Lannister as a father.

- Lost their mothers at a very young age.

- Received a prophecy at the age of 10 that all their children would die which haunts them for the rest of their lives and which turns them into paranoics who mistrust everyone and try to do anything to prevent it. We see from her own thoughts how much this prophecy has affected her psyche and how she fears in constant fear and is the main reason why she hates Tyrion so much, so I really don't understand why so many people dismiss this as a factor.

 - Were in an abusive marriage where they were raped. We also see how much it has traumatized her in her own thoughts when it's shown that she feels weak and wants to be in control in large part due to the experience of being raped.

 - Had to fear that they and their entire families would be executed because of the sexist Westerosi laws.

 These guys you mentioned only have the excuse that they are lowborn. They might have suffered more than Cersei, but we don't know for sure because just coming from lowborn background doesn't mean they have suffered more than someone who has all of this stuff going for them. All we know about them is they come from lowborn background and in the case of Ramsay, there is the added backstory that he was born from rape (which is not mitigating in my opinion because he isn't the one experiencing it and he doesn't even remember it).

 And for the record, I consider Tyrion to also be more tragic than Rorge, Vargo and Ramsay and he also comes from a very privileged background because he is still a noble and is still able to spend a lot of money even if his father and sister hate him and at one point he even served as Hand of the King, but that doesn't mean he had it easier than Rorge, Ramsay or Vargo.

 

Edited April 7 by boltons are sick

[Craving Peaches]

15 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

which is not mitigating in my opinion because he isn't the one experiencing it and he doesn't even remember it

Have you not considered that this would lead to his mother treating him unfavourably?

16 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

Had to fear that they and their entire families would be executed because of the sexist Westerosi laws.

The sexist laws of fraud and incest? And how would this lead to anyone aside from Cersei, Jaime and potentially the children being executed? Tywin etc. would still be around. Cersei chose to put them all at risk. This has been repeated to you ad nauseum in this thread and others but nothing is forcing Cersei to have children with Jaime. She could have carried on the affair without having his children.

18 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

- Lost their mothers at a very young age.

Plenty of people in the series have lost parents at a young age and don't act like Cersei.

[boltons are sick]

Just now, Craving Peaches said:

Have you not considered that this would lead to his mother treating him unfavourably?

We have no information that's the case, so it's just a speculation.

 

1 minute ago, Craving Peaches said:

Plenty of people in the series have lost parents at a young age and don't act like Cersei.

It still adds to her tragedy along with all the other points especially considering that this means her only remaining parent is Tywin Lannister.

[boltons are sick]

8 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

The sexist laws of fraud and incest? And how would this lead to anyone aside from Cersei, Jaime and potentially the children being executed? Tywin etc. would still be around. Cersei chose to put them all at risk. This has been repeated to you ad nauseum in this thread and others but nothing is forcing Cersei to have children with Jaime. She could have carried on the affair without having his children.

If Cersei was man, she wouldn't be facing the choice of either staying fateful to a rapist or risk execution in the first place (she would have been executed for having an affair even without getting impregnated by Jaime). She would have inherited Casterly Rock and would have become one of the most powerful Lords in the country which explains why Cersei would be bitter about how her life turned out instead.

Edited April 7 by boltons are sick

[Craving Peaches]

14 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

We have no information that's the case, so it's just a speculation.

Okay, but you are aware that most of your arguments are 'just speculation' if that is...

12 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

If Cersei was man, she wouldn't be facing the choice of either staying fateful to a rapist or risk execution in the first place (she would have been executed for having an affair even without getting impregnated by Jaime).

Whole point is that affair won't be discovered without the additional things she did. Also if she was a male prince consort she would still have to stay faithful to the Queen so no she can't just suddenly start cheating with impunity because she's a man, unless she is not in the same position at all at which point anything goes.

14 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

She would have inherited Casterly Rock and would have become one of the most powerful Lords in the country which explains why Cersei would be bitter about how her life turned out instead.

At that point anything goes. Whole story would be different if Cersei was born a man. You cannot attribute all of Cersei's woes just to being a woman because plenty of other women in the series who are in similar positions don't act like her at all.

[kissdbyfire]

44 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

Cersei might be a noble, but outside of Biter who literally had his tongue cut off and was forced to fight against dogs with his bare teeth, Cersei is still more tragic than all of these guys.

Sorry but this is a ludicrous argument. Not only because Cersei was and is unbelievably privileged but also b/c we know next to nothing about the other evil characters we’ve talked about (and others we might have left out). 
The mental gymnastics you’re putting yourself through in defence of Cersei is quite pathetic imo. The other thing is you keep putting words in people’s mouths using disingenuous tactics like, “oh so if you think X then surely you believe Y”. 
I’m done here. 

[boltons are sick]

58 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Sorry but this is a ludicrous argument. Not only because Cersei was and is unbelievably privileged but also b/c we know next to nothing about the other evil characters we’ve talked about (and others we might have left out). 
The mental gymnastics you’re putting yourself through in defence of Cersei is quite pathetic imo. The other thing is you keep putting words in people’s mouths using disingenuous tactics like, “oh so if you think X then surely you believe Y”. 
I’m done here. 

 If you yourself admit that we know next to nothing about those characters that according to you had it harder than Cersei, then why are you using them as examples of characters who had it harder than Cersei in the first place?

 We know for a fact that Cersei was raped repeatedly while these characters you mentioned most likely weren't (as far as we know). The fact she was sexually abused should ALONE make her more tragic than those characters you listed even if we disregard all the other stuff that went wrong in her life.

Edited April 7 by boltons are sick

[Annara Snow]

This is a very weird thread. I'm not going to read all of it, but I have two things to say.

To the OP, I have to ask: 1) how hated is Cersei, compared to other characters? and 2) why would you think she doesn't deserve it?

Show Cersei may not be that villainous, but book Cersei definitely is. She very much is in the top 25 most evil characters, at least if you're counting the more prominent ones - she's just more complex and a POV, unlike minor characters like Rorge or Craster. I mean, if you're going to count Raff the Sweetling and every single Gregor's man and member of the Bloody Mummers, then I guess you could say "she's not in the top 25 most evil characters", but of the actually prominent, major characrters, she is. As a reminder, she's commited child murder including baby mutder, multiple other murders, sexual assault, caused a mass murder of dwarfs, abused her brother since he was a baby, murdered her childhood friend, sold a woman into slavery, gave innocent people to Qyburn to torture and do all sorts of awful things to, is horrifically emotionally abusive to her own son Tommen, abuses and plots against every woman in her life that she sees as a threat (and that's almost any other woman or girl), and the list goes on. She's cruel, spiteful, narcissistic, narrow-minded, selfish, ableist, racist, classist and the epitome of internalized misogyny.

There are lots of women and even little girls in the world of ASOIAF who are over-hated when you look at their actual actions - Catelyn, Sansa, Alicent, Dany in some circles... - but Cersei is not one of them, she has in fact committed a number of horrible crimes.

As for how hated she is? I don't know, because while there are lots of people who hate her, there are also those who (maybe under the influence of GoT) stan her and try to portay her as some sort of a feminist girlboss, which is bizarre. I've seen people on Twitter  praise Cersei in order to try to put down HotD Alicent, claiming that Cersei is smarter and much more competent (LMAO) . I've seen Cersei stans on this forum hate on Catelyn for being cold to Jon, which is hilariously hypocritical since Cersei murders her husband's bastards when she can.

But on the other hand, Cersei is definitely also a victim and does have a sad backstory - losing her mother early, having one of the worst fathers in Westeros, being treated as a pawn and married off to whoever (which is the fate of women in Westeros in general - but that doesn't mean that Cersei and each one of them are not victiimized, as women under patriarchy - they are), and she was RAPED and physically abused by her husband. No matter how much you hate Cersei, how much of a villain and perpetrator of crimes and abue she is, you can't deny that she is a victim to. People can be both things. Just like it's horrible to watch her be publicly humiliated and shaed in a very sexual and gender-based way, as a woman, not for any of her actual crimes, but for the 'crime' of having sex as a widow.

Saying that "Cersei is by far the least sympathetic in her family" is a personal opinion, not something that is objectively true. Frankly, I'm side-eying anyone who thinks Tywin is better than Cersei. As much as I hate Cersei, I hate Tywin 10 times more. He's definitely in my top most hated characters in ASOIAF. He's one of the main villains of the series and one of the worst people in Westeros, and he's the main reason why his kids turned out the way they did.

So, this is the only context where the OP may have a point - hating Cersei but defending Tywin? What's that about? Tywin was just good at creating a reputation and convincing people he was strong and competent, but whatever he "built" crumbled immediately after his death, which says it all. In fact, he's not some mastermind, he's just as spiteful, cruel, selfish and narrow-minded as Cersei, and as he thinks Tyrion is (Tyrion is also plenty spiteful, cruel, selfish and narrow-minded, but still hasn't reached the same level as his father and sister, though he's trying to currently).

[EggBlue]

41 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

OK, I agree. Being more hated doesn't equate being more evil. Let's end the discussion.

Cersei might be a noble, but outside of Biter who literally had his tongue cut off and was forced to fight against dogs with his bare teeth, Cersei is still more tragic than all of these guys. And for the record, this is also the reason why Biter isn't listed as a Complete Monster while Rorge who did this to him is. None of the other three:

- Had Tywin Lannister as a father.

- Lost their mothers at a very young age.

- Received a prophecy at the age of 10 that all their children would die which haunts them for the rest of their lives and which turns them into paranoics who mistrust everyone and try to do anything to prevent it. We see from her own thoughts how much this prophecy has affected her psyche and how she fears in constant fear and is the main reason why she hates Tyrion so much, so I really don't understand why so many people dismiss this as a factor.

 - Were in an abusive marriage where they were raped. We also see how much it has traumatized her in her own thoughts when it's shown that she feels weak and wants to be in control in large part due to the experience of being raped.

 - Had to fear that they and their entire families would be executed because of the sexist Westerosi laws.

 These guys you mentioned only have the excuse that they are lowborn.

Being lowborn is not an excuse, just like having a tragic backstory in noble life is not an excuse. The lowborn villains not only have more limitations and fewer choices, but they are also pretty much the result of people like Cersei and Tywin being in charge, who, instead of mitigating the crime rate in their territory, employ people like the Bloody Mummers—enabling them in do so and frankly creating a demand in the market! Would the bloody mummers even become a "company" famed for their cruelty if influential people like Tywin did not need their services? Would Ramsey Bolton be just as evil if his father didn't find messing with him by sending Reek as his babysitter amusing?! Probably not.... but do these facts excuse the crimes of the Goat or Ramsay? No. In the same way, Cersei's upbringing and issues merely explain why she turned out the way she is; it does not justify her crimes, whether you think she had it worse than Ramsay, Goat, or Rorge. 

Then there's the matter of CHOICES. Pretending that Cersei had no choice in her crimes is extraordinarily absurd and sexist (as Craving Peaches aptly said). A great comparison in this regard is with Daenerys:

• Cersei suffered from Tywin, Daenerys suffered from Viserys
• Cersei lost  her mother as a child, and Daenerys lost both her parents
• Cersei had a brother who cared about her, and Daenerys had Viserys, for god's sake
• Cersei received a scary prophecy as a teenager; Daenerys fucking sees the prophecies in her dreams as a teenager
• Cersei was married as a pawn to a brute of a husband, and so was Daenerys
• Cersei was raped, and so was Daenerys
• on top of that, Daenerys also experienced poverty

by the end, you don't see the two women making the same choices, committing the same atrocities; doesn't that tell you something?

[Craving Peaches]

20 minutes ago, EggBlue said:

Cersei received a scary prophecy as a teenager

Also Cersei did chose to see the prophecy, not like it was randomly forced on her, she wanted her fortune told; Daenerys has some creepy prophetic dreams she has no control over.

[Cas Stark]

I don't think being in a bad, arranged marriage is an excuse for Cersei's actions.  As has been said by others, and me, she was already violent, abusive and a murderer years before she ever laid eyes on Robert Baratheon.  After he's killed and she has been relieved of her bad marriage, her actions only get more and more vile.  That suggests the problem with Cersei is Cersei.

[csuszka1948]

"King Joffrey I Baratheon of King's Landing, despite his young age, stands out as one of the vilest characters in the series. While always shown to have a darker side, Joffrey finally crosses the line when he has Lord Eddard "Ned" Stark executed, ensuring that the war with the Northerners would never reach a peaceful conclusion."

How is this 'crossing the line'? Joffrey had as much right to kill Ned Stark as Cersei had to kill Robert, and the political consequences (the almost inevitable war that followed) were horrific in both cases. 

Ned Stark was invited by Joffrey's father to serve as his Hand but as soon as he died Ned tried to arrest Joffrey and his family and hand over the Throne to his uncle who probably would have executed them. 

[boltons are sick]

19 hours ago, EggBlue said:

Being lowborn is not an excuse, just like having a tragic backstory in noble life is not an excuse. The lowborn villains not only have more limitations and fewer choices, but they are also pretty much the result of people like Cersei and Tywin being in charge, who, instead of mitigating the crime rate in their territory, employ people like the Bloody Mummers—enabling them in do so and frankly creating a demand in the market! Would the bloody mummers even become a "company" famed for their cruelty if influential people like Tywin did not need their services? Would Ramsey Bolton be just as evil if his father didn't find messing with him by sending Reek as his babysitter amusing?! Probably not.... but do these facts excuse the crimes of the Goat or Ramsay? No. In the same way, Cersei's upbringing and issues merely explain why she turned out the way she is; it does not justify her crimes, whether you think she had it worse than Ramsay, Goat, or Rorge. 

Then there's the matter of CHOICES. Pretending that Cersei had no choice in her crimes is extraordinarily absurd and sexist (as Craving Peaches aptly said). A great comparison in this regard is with Daenerys:

• Cersei suffered from Tywin, Daenerys suffered from Viserys
• Cersei lost  her mother as a child, and Daenerys lost both her parents
• Cersei had a brother who cared about her, and Daenerys had Viserys, for god's sake
• Cersei received a scary prophecy as a teenager; Daenerys fucking sees the prophecies in her dreams as a teenager
• Cersei was married as a pawn to a brute of a husband, and so was Daenerys
• Cersei was raped, and so was Daenerys
• on top of that, Daenerys also experienced poverty

by the end, you don't see the two women making the same choices, committing the same atrocities; doesn't that tell you something?

Cersei is doing most of the things she does because she thinks that otherwise her children are going to die which means she has noble intentions while the others are just sadists or interested purely in self-profit, so it's not really the same situation.

 

Also, Daenerys literally had a woman burned alive at a stake just because she took revenge for what the Dothraki did to her hometown, crusified over a hundred slavemasters, not caring if they were actually guilty or not about the crime she wanted to avenge (before anyone says they deserve it, we literally have confirmation all of them were just chosen at random and at least one of them even opposed what their fellow slavemaster did to the children, but they were still randomly chosen and crusified all the same) and tortured two innocent children in front of their father when she thought he was hiding information, so don't try to pretend like Daenerys herself hasn't commited atrocities.

 

Like I said, most of the characters in the series are really awful people by modern standards, but for some reason, when characters that people don't like (Cersei) do awful things for a cause they believe in (protecting their family from dying), people just dismiss their reasoning and like to pretend that the character doesn't have an understandable motivation which could explain their actions, but when their favourite character does things that are just as bad (Daenerys), people completely gloss over their atrocities and like to pretend that they haven't done anything bad in their lives.

 You might compare Cersei to someone else, but Daenerys is a VERY bad comparison to prove your point because at this point she has burnt a woman alive, crusified hundreds of people for a crime they might not have even commited and tortured two children in front of their father because he might have been withholding information.

 

Also, the Bloody Mummers were only employed by Tywin, not by Cersei who had absolutely no control over what her father did in his campaign in the Riverlands, not o mention that Tywin was the one who ordered her around and not the other way around, and you completely forget that later the Bloody Mummers joined House Stark and continued with the practice of raiding, raping and mutilating even WHILE THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR ROBB STARK, so it's not like the Starks did anything more to stop the Bloody Mummers from doing what they did.

Edited April 8 by boltons are sick

[SeanF]

37 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

Cersei is doing most of the things she does because she thinks that otherwise her children are going to die which means she has noble intentions while the others are just sadists or interested purely in self-profit, so it's not really the same situation.

 

Also, Daenerys literally had a woman burned alive at a stake just because she took revenge for what the Dothraki did to her hometown, crusified over a hundred slavemasters, not caring if they were actually guilty or not about the crime she wanted to avenge (before anyone says they deserve it, we literally have confirmation all of them were just chosen at random and at least one of them even opposed what their fellow slavemaster did to the children, but they were still randomly chosen and crusified all the same) and tortured two innocent children in front of their father when she thought he was hiding information, so don't try to pretend like Daenerys herself hasn't commited atrocities.

 

Like I said, most of the characters in the series are really awful people by modern standards, but for some reason, when characters that people don't like (Cersei) do awful things for a cause they believe in (protecting their family from dying), people just dismiss their reasoning and like to pretend that the character doesn't have an understandable motivation which could explain their actions, but when their favourite character does things that are just as bad (Daenerys), people completely gloss over their atrocities and like to pretend that they haven't done anything bad in their lives.

 You might compare Cersei to someone else, but Daenerys is a VERY bad comparison to prove your point because at this point she has burnt a woman alive, crusified hundreds of people for a crime they might not have even commited and tortured two children in front of their father because he might have been withholding information.

 

Also, the Bloody Mummers were only employed by Tywin, not by Cersei who had absolutely no control over what her father did in his campaign in the Riverlands, not o mention that Tywin was the one who ordered her around and not the other way around, and you completely forget that later the Bloody Mummers joined House Stark and continued with the practice of raiding, raping and mutilating even WHILE THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR ROBB STARK, so it's not like the Starks did anything more to stop the Bloody Mummers from doing what they did.

If you can find examples, in the text, of Cersei freeing slaves, or comforting a dying servant, or tending to refugees, or saving dwarves from being eaten alive (as opposed to putting a price on their heads) , please cite them.

And, do you think Cersei would spare people who publicly insult her, like Ghael or the young Meereenese noble?  Cersei rips out their tongues or sends them to be vivisected.

Daenerys is concerned to feed her people, whereas Cersei stuffs her face as they go hungry.

Daenerys can be cruel and vengeful, in the main to very bad people (and don’t pretend that the Ghiscari elite were innocents).  But she also possesses a compassion which is entirely lacking in Cersei.  I can’t think of a single generous act that Cersei ever performed.

Protecting one’s children (even if that were her motivation) does not justify killing other peoples’ children.

 

Edited April 8 by SeanF

[boltons are sick]

2 minutes ago, SeanF said:

If you can find examples, in the text, of Cersei freeing slaves, or comforting a dying servant, or tending to refugees, or saving dwarves from being eaten alive (as opposed to putting a price on their heads) , please cite them.

And, do you think Cersei would spare people who publicly insult her, like Ghael or the young Meereenese noble?  Cersei rips out their tongues or sends them to be vivisected.

Daenerys is concerned to feed her people, whereas Cersei stuffs her face as they go hungry.

Daenerys can be cruel and vengeful, in the main to very bad people (and don’t pretend that the Meereenese elite were innocents).  But she also possesses a compassion which is entirely lacking in Cersei.  I can’t think of a single generous act that Cersei ever performed.

Protecting one’s children (even if that were her motivation) does not justify killing other peoples’ children.

 

Daenerys is not just vengeful to "very bad people". She literally burns a woman alive because she avenged what the Dothraki did to her hometown (which was done with Daenerys's knowledge nonetheless even if Drogo was the one to order it), crusified over a hundred potentially innocent people without proving they are guilty and torturing two innocent children in front of their father. None of those people (except some of the slavers she crusified) actually did anything wrong.

 I am not saying that Daenerys isn't more sympathetic than Cersei, I am just answering to the claim where the two of them are compared and how Daenerys "hasn't commited any atrocities" while Cersei is this so Ultra, Mega, Giga bad person who has absolutely no reason for what she is doing. 

 Also, Daenerys is still a teenager and is still in the beginning of her rule. I think that as the story progresses, she would become less idealistic and more concerned with personal power and reclaiming the Iron Throne for herself and less concerned about helping the common people, but we will see about that.

[SeanF]

4 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

Daenerys is not just vengeful to "very bad people". She literally burns a woman alive because she avenged what the Dothraki did to her hometown (which was done with Daenerys's knowledge nonetheless even if Drogo was the one to order it), crusified over a hundred potentially innocent people without proving they are guilty and torturing two innocent children in front of their father. None of those people (except some of the slavers she crusified) actually did anything wrong.

 I am not saying that Daenerys isn't more sympathetic than Cersei, I am just answering to the claim where the two of them are compared and how Daenerys "hasn't commited any atrocities" while Cersei is this so Ultra, Mega, Giga bad person who has absolutely no reason for what she is doing. 

 Also, Daenerys is still a teenager and is still in the beginning of her rule. I think that as the story progresses, she would become less idealistic and more concerned with personal power and reclaiming the Iron Throne for herself and less concerned about helping the common people, but we will see about that.

Cersei’s backstory is not that of an idealistic young woman who gradually became ruthless.  She was bad from the beginning.

As to MMD, I can’t imagine many young women just shrugging off the murder of their infant son, in this world, regardless of whether one thinks Rhaego deserved it or not.

The crucifixion of slave children was a very deliberate, public atrocity, a group of men publicly bloodying their hands.  It was not the work of brutal underlings, operating without their bosses’ knowledge.  Daenerys’ fault is that she let so many of the guilty off Scot-free, not that she punished the innocent.

[Craving Peaches]

14 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

She literally burns a woman alive because she avenged what the Dothraki did to her hometown

She burned Mirri alive because Mirri killed her unborn child. If Cersei is allowed to kill innocent and harmless babies just because they 'threaten' her children why is Daenerys not allowed to kill a criminal who actually killed her child? Or are there some double standards at play here so Cersei gets a free pass but no one else does? Depending on your view Mirri is either a child murderer or a criminal abortionist so Daenerys is punishing a criminal here, not just some random woman.

14 minutes ago, boltons are sick said:

I think that as the story progresses, she would become less idealistic and more concerned with personal power and reclaiming the Iron Throne for herself and less concerned about helping the common people, but we will see about that.

As opposed to Cersei, who...has always been selfish and concerned with herself, who never even tries to make things better for the common people.

The only thing Daenerys has done that is on Cersei's level is torturing the Wineseller's daughters. And even that was to find out who committed a murderer, as opposed to Cersei torturing people to further her fraudulent schemes or because she wants to dispose of them to cover up her schemes.

Edited April 8 by Craving Peaches

[Craving Peaches]

Daenerys:

• Kills one woman who actually killed her child

• May have killed a few slavers who weren't directly responsible for crucifying children but regardless would have committed many atrocities anyway

• Has two people tortured to further a criminal investigation

Cersei

• Has multiple harmless babies killed, some out of pride, others to cover up her crime

• Tortures at least three people: one as part of her fraudulent scheme to have Margaery arrested, two to dispose of them to... prevent her scheming being uncovered 

• Routinely threatens people with maiming and torture including wanting a ten year old girl to have their hand cut off so much that she was aroused by it

• Likely killed Melara Heatherspoon when she was a young girl

• Abused her brother Tyrion

• Sold an innocent woman into slavery

[boltons are sick]

14 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

She burned Mirri alive because Mirri killed her unborn child. If Cersei is allowed to kill innocent and harmless babies just because they 'threaten' her children why is Daenerys not allowed to kill a criminal who actually killed her child? Or are there some double standards at play here so Cersei gets a free pass but no one else does? Depending on your view Mirri is either a child murderer or a criminal abortionist so Daenerys is punishing a criminal here, not just some random woman.

But Daenerys doesn't punish any of the Dothraki who did this to Mirri's hometown while she only punishes Mirri which shows a double standard. And for all I am concerned, Mirri was justified in this situation. She is only a criminal in the eyes of the Dothraki (who are a band of raiding savages) and Daenerys who is a member of the Dothraki, so I really don't care what she did to them after they butcher most of the people of her town, and raped the women (which mind is much worse than anything Mirri herself did). 

 If anything, Mirri's situation is more similar to Cersei's than Danny's is similar to Cersei's.