Jaxom 1974 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 It's almost as if that the audience Lucas had in mind all along (at least after the initial movie) in mind was kids...adults? Meh. As others have said, the answer of the Prequels does not outweigh the joy kids got out of the prequels. (Not to mention the desire for toys and other marketable items.) And that's absolutely what was missed by JJ, who made sequels for the fanboys raised on the OT, instead of their children and grandchildren. I don't think the Prequels are overly great, but I have no problems watching them just because when they're on TNT...the sequels? No thanks. No rewatchability at all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 think TFA & TLJ are very rewatchable. Don't mind watching the prequels too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Having been a kid myself at some point in my life I am aware that kids quite often have terrible taste and are unable to tell when something is good or shit. If Lucas managed to excite children by putting lots of wooshy wooshy lightsaber duels and funny looking aliens with semi racist accents into his movies then I’m sure he’s happy with that if it sold toys. And maybe selling toys is really the whole point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 11 minutes ago, Raja said: think TFA & TLJ are very rewatchable. Don't mind watching the prequels too. I prefer watching TFA when it was called A New Hope myself... Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 4 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: I prefer watching TFA when it was called A New Hope myself... I think that's totally a fair criticism of that movie, and one I made myself, but it has enough good in it that I can look past that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 It’s a strange conviction everyone has that the sequels won’t enjoy the same reappraisal that the PT did. Why wouldn’t they, they’re better movies. Give it 20 years, when all the kids have grown up. Myrddin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 I don't really understand the reappraisal of the prequels, so I would be as dubious about a reappraisal of the sequels. But it's true, they are largely better films than the prequels anyways, so a critical reappraisal isn't going to shift the needle much. Ser Scot A Ellison 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 3 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: Give it 20 years, when all the kids have grown up. And everyone will still be here, kvetching and moaning about them! Myrddin and JGP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGP Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IlyaP said: And everyone will still be here, kvetching and moaning about them! Amusingly, and touching on all this nostalgia/kids stuff, I was in animation school iirc when The Phantom Menace came out. Had tickets for the first viewing in Vancouver. When that opening scroll hit the screen, the theater lost its collective mind. Pretty damned quiet on the way out, though I did hear one guy apologize to his friend, 'Sorry man, I thought it was going to be good.' lol Edited July 13 by JGP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 8 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: It’s a strange conviction everyone has that the sequels won’t enjoy the same reappraisal that the PT did. Why wouldn’t they, they’re better movies. Give it 20 years, when all the kids have grown up. How bad must movies have gotten by that point if people look back at the sequels with nostalgia. The idea sends shivers down my spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 5 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: Why wouldn’t they, they’re better movies. Well, the first two are. In any case, I think people are overstating the 'reappraisal' of the prequels. No-one who thought they were shit back then has changed their mind. Some who were too young to voice their opinion online back then are now old enough to give their view, but they're still mostly widely considered... well, shit. Also: we won't know until the time comes, of course, but I'm really not sure that it is going to have the same effect on kids as the PT did. Like, for me, I was 13 when Phantom Menace came out- I was just old enough to realise it wasn't _great_, but there was loads in there to hook on to. Qui-gon and Obi-Wan worked. Padme worked (more or less). Darth Maul _fucking slapped_. The ship designs were cool as shit. It drew me into the world, and I got into the spinoffs etc off the back of it, and the rest even though by the time they came out I was definitely old enough to see all the flaws. Where are the equivalent characters and concepts in the ST? Where are the spinoffs? Every kid seeing the ST looking for more Star Wars is going to find prequel and OT-related stuff, even though books aside the spinoff factory is vastly more developed now than then. And that's setting aside that these days with the way entertainment is laid out, kids aren't necessarily going to even be drawn to 'stuff-their-parents-took-them-to' in the same way. There's vastly more competition for their attention now. Jaxom 1974 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 14 minutes ago, Ran said: I don't really understand the reappraisal of the prequels, so I would be as dubious about a reappraisal of the sequels. But it's true, they are largely better films than the prequels anyways, so a critical reappraisal isn't going to shift the needle much. They're really not. Especially the two JJ sequels. TLJ had some ideas, but suffered in execution and especially pacing. There is zero rewatchability in those movies...Rey and Rose are good characters, but used poorly. Finn could have been more, but isn't given much to do. Poe shouldn't have survived past the opening of TFA. And Kylo Ren as a villain is just lacking. The prequels aren't good movies...but I'd still rather sit through watching JarJar than Poe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Kylo Ren & Adam driver was one of the best things about those movies. Same with Rey. All the rey, luke, kylo stuff is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 25 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said: The prequels aren't good movies...but I'd still rather sit through watching JarJar than Poe. Mileage varies. I'll never watch the PT again, except maybe for a couple of Qui-Gon Jin clips, whereas seeing Ford, Fisher, Hamill, and Williams again gives me reason to look at the new ones again. Plus Adam Driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 47 minutes ago, Heartofice said: How bad must movies have gotten by that point if people look back at the sequels with nostalgia. The idea sends shivers down my spine. In their defense... *take a breath* I found them much better after a few simple fan edits came along to tweak a few basic things that really bothered me - including the oh so bad Chinese-sounding trade federation guys and poor unfortunate Jake Lloyd's "yipee" being edited out because, jeezus murphy, that's just too much. Once the little frustrating bits are modified/excised, the movies are much stronger. It's just that the bad parts really halt the movies for some people, whereas for others, they're just weaker bits, rather than egregious showstoppers. But also, man, John Williams was firing on all cylinders with those movies, with each score having some absolute homeruns, including Anakin's Theme, Duel of the Fates, Across the Stars, and Battle of the Heroes*. There's a lot to love with the prequels, but again, I *also* came of age with them, so, y'know, I got a soft spot for them. And the pod racing scene slapped goddamn hard. *Am I wrong for wanting to write 'Battle Without Honor or Humanity'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 14 minutes ago, Ran said: Mileage varies. I'll never watch the PT again, except maybe for a couple of Qui-Gon Jin clips, whereas seeing Ford, Fisher, Hamill, and Williams again gives me reason to look at the new ones again. Plus Adam Driver. Just say it @Ran, say it! "Adam Driver is a thirst trap and I am powerless before him!" Week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Rise of Skywalker is such crap that it brings the average quality of the ST significantly down to the point that it's hard to distinguish between it and the average quality of the PT. Plus the PT has The Clone Wars to bolster it. They tried and failed with Star Wars Resistance for the ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 47 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: Plus the PT has The Clone Wars to bolster it. They tried and failed with Star Wars Resistance for the ST. Question: does Star Wars Rebels techically count as part of the Clone Wars saga, given that several episodes include people who were in the Clone Wars series? I've never quite known how to talk about Rebels, other than, y'know, friggin' awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 11 minutes ago, IlyaP said: Question: does Star Wars Rebels techically count as part of the Clone Wars saga, given that several episodes include people who were in the Clone Wars series? I've never quite known how to talk about Rebels, other than, y'know, friggin' awesome. Rebels helps to flesh out the Rebellion and the galaxy under the Empire like The Clone Wars did for that era. The Bad Batch can maybe be still considered part of the CW saga, though it's being doing a nice job as transitioning eras. IlyaP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 1 hour ago, Corvinus85 said: Rebels helps to flesh out the Rebellion and the galaxy under the Empire like The Clone Wars did for that era. The Bad Batch can maybe be still considered part of the CW saga, though it's being doing a nice job as transitioning eras. Thx. I did wonder, as I love love *love* Rebels, and view it as the best bit of Post-Disney Star Wars, due to its tightness, whimsy, and fantastic art, design, and sound (Kevin Kiner and co. hit audial homeruns for four seasons and I simply do not understand why Kiner isn't scoring films, as he's Got The Goods). Haven't seen Bad Batch yet - that's next on my list once some free time appears in my schedule. It is meant to just be a story to transition viewers from the Clone Wars to Rebellion era? Or does it stand alone in your view as its own independent story with themes, ideas, and concepts of its own that it's exploring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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