Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Him just being a Dragon bastard instead of a Wolf bastard. Rhaegar taking Lyanna as a second wife in a polygamist marriage, having a Septon who was bribed or something administer the ceremony. Then, once it comes out, the emotions and thoughts it gives Jon, how Dany handles that she isn’t necessarily the clear cut heir, after presumably outing fAegon as the mummers dragon. How, if he is proclaimed King, with or without Dany, the Faith and nobility react to the news of Rhaegar taking a second wife. The conflict between those supporting it, and those contesting it. It all seems more interesting then him continuing to be a bastard. Craving Peaches and Mithras 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Maybe. But does it really matter at all to what happens to Jon in the end? He doesn't care. Well at this point he doesn't care. Maybe he will care if he ever finds out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 10 minutes ago, Curled Finger said: Maybe. But does it really matter at all to what happens to Jon in the end? He doesn't care. Well at this point he doesn't care. Maybe he will care if he ever finds out. Possibly. I wouldn’t be shocked if he denies his Targ heritage in favor of being a Stark. Craving Peaches, LongRider and Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) I love Jon, he's one of the few legit good people in this series. That being said, he's not going to be king. Sadly Bran sitting the IT is something both GRRM's notes and the tv show spoiled for us. The most we can hope for, is the truth causing Dany pain and helping to drive her mad, like it did on the tv show. Edited May 15 by sifth Aldarion and Craving Peaches 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 1 minute ago, sifth said: I love Jon, he's one of the few legit good people in this series. That being said, he's not going to be king. Sadly Bran sitting the IT is something both GRRM's notes and the tv show spoiled for us. The most we can hope for, is the truth causing Dany pain and helping to drive her mad, like it did on the tv show. I quite honestly hope that doesn’t happen. Bran being King is a poor ending IMO. Maybe like a King in the shadows kind of thing. Where he uses his abilities to give his siblings info on their political rivals. I’d much rather the 7K break apart than reunited under Bran. I just can’t see how it happens. Aldarion, Mithras, Northern Sword and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 26 minutes ago, Lady Stonehearts Simp said: I quite honestly hope that doesn’t happen. Bran being King is a poor ending IMO. Maybe like a King in the shadows kind of thing. Where he uses his abilities to give his siblings info on their political rivals. I’d much rather the 7K break apart than reunited under Bran. I just can’t see how it happens. I don't like it either, but I think it's the direction we're heading. I wish it wasn't, but I can't see it going any other way. I recall hearing GRRM saying at some point, after he gave up on the time skip "Screw it, I guess a 11 year old is going to save the world", or something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 37 minutes ago, sifth said: I don't like it either, but I think it's the direction we're heading. I wish it wasn't, but I can't see it going any other way. I recall hearing GRRM saying at some point, after he gave up on the time skip "Screw it, I guess a 11 year old is going to save the world", or something along those lines. Saving the world, does mean King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Since most of us have witnessed this ending not written by Martin I suppose these ideas are here until he writes them away or gives us some sugar with the medicine. Say Jon was legitimate and it could be proven and he wanted this known and he embraces the responsibility of his birth. Nothing says Dany wouldn't be on board with that. We've only seen her take up good causes for underdogs. Slavery is lousy. She's right to want an end to it. Dany's deal is home. She longs for a sense of security, perhaps that includes family. This could go several ways in Westeros, where she really only has ghosts to fight and the vaguest ideas about her enemies. She could take the continent independently--her was machine will be considerable if not unbeatable. Jon takes pride in being a Stark. Under the right circumstances he could learn this other lineage. As a reader I tend to tie Jon to the North out of hand when I know he will do whatever it takes to defeat The Others wherever he meets them. It is my own tunnel vision that has this Battle for Dawn in the North. Much as Jon loves most of his Stark siblings, he may seek Dany out for no other reason than she is family. Gads, Martin could write this where Dany ends up being the one to tell Jon who he is. Now, that would be interesting. This secret identity has been an integral part of ASOIAF since early on. I never understood why Jon would have to choose one family over the other--why he couldn't just have them both blended in that ice and fire song of his life. Northern Sword 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 9 hours ago, Lady Stonehearts Simp said: Saving the world, does mean King You know, your clipped answer really caught my eye. Why does saving the world mean being king? Bran is capable of a great deal right where he is. If Bloodraven is half as powerful as many suspect, Bran is a little god in training. Does a god have to rule in the end? Is saving the world about The Others or ruling Westeros? Balancing the forces of ice and fire? Bringing them together? Making peace over the years of war? That's really something to ponder, Lady. Northern Sword 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 13 hours ago, Lady Stonehearts Simp said: Him just being a Dragon bastard instead of a Wolf bastard. Rhaegar taking Lyanna as a second wife in a polygamist marriage, having a Septon who was bribed or something administer the ceremony. Then, once it comes out, the emotions and thoughts it gives Jon, how Dany handles that she isn’t necessarily the clear cut heir, after presumably outing fAegon as the mummers dragon. How, if he is proclaimed King, with or without Dany, the Faith and nobility react to the news of Rhaegar taking a second wife. The conflict between those supporting it, and those contesting it. It all seems more interesting then him continuing to be a bastard. A bribed septon cannot secretly undo the consecrated and consummated marriage of a crown prince performed by the high septon at the Sept of Baelor, and polygamy is not allowed in the faith. So if Jon fights his way onto the Iron Throne and declares himself the legitimate son of Rhaegar and everyone is OK with this because they have no other choice, then sure, he's the rightful king. But that will come about by conquest, not that he was born legitimate. Terrorthatflapsinthenight9 and frenin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sword Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Jon could end up as king. He may even end up knowing his Targaryen roots(I Hope So). But, I don't see him riding off into the sunset as king and living happily ever after. I see him becoming King of Winter, and he may not survive until spring. Which would fall into the bittersweet ending most are anticipating. It will absolutely make a better story if it is known that Jon, is in fact Jon Targaryen. He marries Dany, knocks her up, and proceeds to save the Realm at the cost of his life. ( also want him to get a dragon and rain down destruction on the WW ) Dany follows him on the war path, also dies(after giving birth to the Future King) while saving the Realm. That king is then raised by the Regent... Sansa and her Lord husband Tyrion... I know, I know. lol I don't think Bran will be King either. Makes zero sense. Even if all the remaining Targs die. He wont even be in the conversation to be King, It'll be a Baratheon or a Velaryon. Certainly not a crippled kid from the North. Bran will be a Weirnet God. Curled Finger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron the Daring Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 1 hour ago, John Suburbs said: But that will come about by conquest, not that he was born legitimate. Yea sure. He will bind the free cities to the Iron Chair too, recolonize Valyria and also discovers land west of Westeros, which he also conquers and colonizes, because that's what heroes do during and after apocalypses that wreck the whole world. Conquering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted May 16 Share Posted May 16 (edited) Well, ironically, if Jon is king he can legitimize himself. I think it’s been ~ noted that King Bran is one of those ‘bigger notes’ or w/e phrase he used, ie something the show was accurate about. That said, that just means he’s the last king we’ll see, it doesn’t mean no one else ever sits the IT in the meantime. I don’t like the idea either, but I try to remind myself we haven’t seen George write it yet…a lot of his ideas seem weird in bullet form, it’s his writing that makes them something else. And, moreover, it’s becoming clearer that George does not feel himself a slave to earlier ideas. He could just change his mind again. Edited May 16 by James Arryn Curled Finger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 Jon is a bastard regardless of how badly some fans would like to fantasize him legitimate. If he is even Rhaegar's son. Rhaegar was already married and had children with Princess Elia. A more interesting, and more desirable to me, is Jon being just a bastard son of Ned Stark. Not with Ashara but with the fisherman's daughter. Jon's fuck up at the Wall will have severe negative outcomes. I don't think he will come back a whole man. I think he will come back as one of the White Walkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron the Daring Posted May 17 Share Posted May 17 (edited) 1 hour ago, James West said: I don't think he will come back a whole man. I always wanted mermaids in the story. I bet the fisherman's daughter was one, and Jon will lead an assault on the Wall with his army of fishes. Edited May 17 by Daeron the Daring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Stonehearts Simp Posted May 17 Author Share Posted May 17 4 hours ago, James West said: Jon is a bastard regardless of how badly some fans would like to fantasize him legitimate. If he is even Rhaegar's son. Rhaegar was already married and had children with Princess Elia. A more interesting, and more desirable to me, is Jon being just a bastard son of Ned Stark. Not with Ashara but with the fisherman's daughter. Jon's fuck up at the Wall will have severe negative outcomes. I don't think he will come back a whole man. I think he will come back as one of the White Walkers. Bowen’s severe fuck up you mean Northern Sword 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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