Spockydog Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 20 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Apparently the reason Nadine Dorries wasn’t put through for a peerage was because she was still a member of the Commons, lol. When she learned this, she asked Sunak if he would out her forward of she quit, and was told no assurances would be given Glorious stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Apparently the reason Nadine Dorries wasn’t put through for a peerage was because she was still a member of the Commons, lol. When she learned this, she asked Sunak if he would out her forward of she quit, and was told no assurances would be given From https://archive.is/ysnXO Spockydog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ljkeane Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 So, honestly, I pretty much ignore everything Spocky posts about Keir Starmer but if Labour can’t take advantage of this to pick up a load of Scottish seats then Labour supporters should be up in arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65871857 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, A wilding said: You are saying that the leaver camp made a Big Lie the centrepiece of their campaign, with the deliberate aim of making the remain campaign "get into a dribbling mess about" spending bandwidth explaining in detail why it was wrong. Yeah my first thought was it seems to make ontologically evil. Isn’t it silly to get mad at them for lying? It’s just second nature to them. Upon deeper consideration I can see the functionality to this line of argument—try to get his opposition too fretful to criticize his side for the awful things they do. The point is to shut down conversation passively. 29 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65871857 Hmm I honestly forgot about this until I saw it somewhere else.—if she’d honestly guilty I honestly hope she’s convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 27 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: Yeah my first thought was it seems to make ontologically evil. Isn’t it silly to get mad at them for lying? It’s just second nature to them. Upon deeper consideration I can see the functionality to this line of argument—try to get his opposition too fretful to criticize his side for the awful things they do. The point is to shut down conversation passively. Agreed. Those people who voted Brexit to get a better funded NHS? (Of whom I know a couple.) They should just endure the NHS collapsing and not "go on about it". They should just accept that "how things work" is that politicians tell blatant lies all the time, and that they can't tell what they will actually do if they get voted in. They should just give up and accept their lot. Lets forget about having a functional democracy then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 16 minutes ago, A wilding said: Agreed. Those people who voted Brexit to get a better funded NHS? (Of whom I know a couple.) They should just endure the NHS collapsing and not "go on about it". They should just accept that "how things work" is that politicians tell blatant lies all the time, and that they can't tell what they will actually do if they get voted in. They should just give up and accept their lot. Lets forget about having a functional democracy then. You can't have a functional democracy when one of the major parties isn't functioning. It's worse here in the states, but UK conservatives keep trying to be more and more like our conservatives than traditional UK ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Anti-Targ Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 8 hours ago, Tywin et al. said: You can't have a functional democracy when one of the major with parties isn't functioning. It's worse here in the states, but UK conservatives keep trying to be more and more like our conservatives than traditional UK ones. Is the way I see it. It's just taken a few hundred years for the fatal flaw to be exposed. Crixus and Which Tyler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Sunak claims Johnson tried to get him to overrule the Lords commission and appoint his cronies anyway Boris Johnson asked me to intervene in honours list, says Rishi Sunak https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65876723 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Another day, another Starmer u-turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 What's changed? What reason could Starmer possibly have for dumping this pledge? Other than the fact he is a lying fucking charlatan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Derfel Cadarn Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 31 minutes ago, Spockydog said: Obviously something dodgy going on, if she’s getting a peerage for … for… She’s either shagged him, caught him shagging someone he shouldn’t have, or is the result of him shagging someone he shouldn’t have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Guessing his reasoning is that if they were stupid enough to vote for Johnson, they might vote for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Arryn Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 17 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said: Guessing his reasoning is that if they were stupid enough to vote for Johnson, they might vote for him Laurence Fox is such a disappointing human being. Can’t wait for his stint at Downing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 #VoteBinface Derfel Cadarn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 51 minutes ago, James Arryn said: Laurence Fox is such a disappointing human being. Can’t wait for his stint at Downing. It's just the natural thing to do, take political office, when a fella sees he's losing his hair! Edited June 12 by Zorral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maarsen Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 45 minutes ago, Zorral said: It's just the natural thing to do, take political office, when a fella sees he's losing his hair! I guess I am destined to never be in politics. Zorral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/11/2023 at 8:00 AM, A wilding said: Lets forget about having a functional democracy then. autocracies often try to brutally suppress any sort of pub,I’d activism whether it’s pro or anti authoritarian action. Russia has criminalized referring to its war as a war and cracked down on demonstrations in support of it. China has cracked down on students for doing demonstrations on how awesome suppressing people from Hong Kong is. Its important for autocracies for the overwhelming of the populace be totally apathetic towards anything revolving governance—nothing government can do could fundamentally change. At best there may be an occasional moral panic about some marginalized group possibly threatening social stabilit. On 6/11/2023 at 8:19 AM, Tywin et al. said: You can't have a functional democracy when one of the major parties isn't functioning. It's worse here in the states, but UK conservatives keep trying to be more and more like our conservatives than traditional UK ones. yeah it should be noted how the Tory party started talking about reproductive rights after Roe.https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/jul/22/european-countries-pressurise-uk-over-removal-of-abortion-commitments-liz-truss Also kinda wish there was more backlash from the police cracking down on peaceful anti-monarchist protesters Which Tyler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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