US Politics: #Musky DeSaster

[Jace, Extat]

22 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

That's not the point. You're trying to sway the audience, not the shit heel who isn't going to be moved by shaming them.

No arguments here. 

 

23 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Every time, and I mean every time, a Republican says the vote was rigid must be asked, "What if Obama called and asked a SoS to make up 12k votes, because Trump is on tape doing so."

Every. single. time. 

 

And it fits on a TikTok timeline, or whatever they use. 

1 hour ago, Zorral said:

HEATHER COX RICHARDSON - Letters from an American

This pearl clutching over 'lefty extremism' again?

Z, I can speak for myself and maybe one or two others here I think when I say that there is no attempt to say ANTIFA or Wokies is/are as great a threat as Trumpist psychos. Or much of a practical threat at all.

That ain't what I'm saying at least. 

The problem is that PEOPLE HATE ANTIFA AND WOKENESS

People. Voters, not Twitterers. 

Illustration: 

I am a liberal. I have bargaining power at governance. 

I am happy to work with the kookiest of libtards. I ain't gotta like ya for you to be part of the team. 

I will cut off my own hands before offering them to the VAST majority of "Republicans", for democracy concerns.

And I would also tell those kooky motherfuckers on my own side that they're making my job harder with their fucking insanity to their face and still be inclined to work with them. 

That is NOT both-sidesing the respective extremes of the spectrum. It's wanting to win.

1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

Where he's going to flounder is on the debate stage. He'll make Rubio look good. The question is who will cut him to pieces. It won't be Trump, he's also bad during debates. We've yet to see the wild card (and it won't be Haley or Scott either). 

???

Trump is amazing in debates. Don't you remember 15/16?????? 

Biden had Challenger Status and a genuinely statesman air about him in 2020, as well as links to a happier time. That will not be the case next year.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Secretary of Eumenes

[Zorral]

As much too often, you aren't making sense.  Again, there is no such thing as antifa. 

[Jace, Extat]

3 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said:

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/slimmed-down-us-debt-ceiling-deal-takes-shape-sources-2023-05-25/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C May 25 (Reuters),person familiar with the talks.

Biden and McCarthy are $70 billion apart. 

For me the litmus test for this deal will not be the terms (they will be bad), but (a) the duration of the deal (i.e., whether Biden lets McCarthy pull this stunt a year from now); (b) the scope of the (badly needed) permitting reform that would be attached to the deal. 

If I'm McCarthy, I burn everything for the chance to do this again next year. 

"He's campaigning in Wisconsin instead of doing the debt ceiling!" 

Talk about fitting on a TikTok.

Goddammit, but Republicans are just better at politics. I hate them, but waddaya gonna do?

[Zorral]

The  howlers re 'lefty extremists' are playing right into the fascists' hands by howling about woke and antifa. The fascists are the ones obsessed with that because They see it as an excellent weapon to get people like you howling against what should be your own., 

[IheartIheartTesla]

1 hour ago, Gaston de Foix said:

I think what the Trump kickoff speech did very effectively was communicate his big ideas of nativism and nationalism and American decline in a way that cut through the noise and clutter for casual listeners.  It also projected his wealth and confidence.  Quick, tell me what RDS's big message was? 

That he's a younger, more dynamic Trump who got a tech dudebro to partner with him. Since he has a history of governance people are already aware of where he stands on the above, with his added flavor of being one of the right's primary anti-woke warriors

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

1 hour ago, A Horse Named Stranger said:

I shit on Florida,

Listen to Because Miami. It will blow your mind.

31 minutes ago, Zorral said:

You seem uncomprehending of the difference between 'corruption' and 'violence.'  Not that corruption isn't dreadful and horrific, but violence with impunity is a whole other thing.

You seem to be missing that VIOLENCE is the reasons why various organizations are now warning people against visiting Florida, and why, as in TX, so many are desperate to move out of these states.

They're sisters. Violence happens when corrupt politicians encourage it and/or do nothing about it. That's Florida right now. Not everywhere, but in a lot of places. Also, I'd consider a county commissioner who in my eyes illegally sends in the police to shut down a bar because he doesn't like the owner violence, just by another means. 

29 minutes ago, Secretary of Eumenes said:

???

Trump is amazing in debates. Don't you remember 15/16?????? 

Biden had Challenger Status and a genuinely statesman air about him in 2020, as well as links to a happier time. That will not be the case next year.

Trump can barely speak. Most 10 year olds could dust him. He won the nomination in 2016 due to a crowded field and he was the one most willing to say crazy shit and did so in a way that made right wingers laugh. But don't ever confuse that with someone who can really debate.

[Zorral]

This is how cops in TX are dealing with mass murdering shooters -- instead of, you know, dealing with them in situ and on the ground.  BTW, if you all haven't heard, the Uvalde cops aren't sanctioned or let go or suspended. They are all doing what they did before, which is nothing, other than oppress the population.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/25/winnie-the-pooh-books-teaches-texas-kids-run-hide-fight-shooting

Winnie-the-Pooh book teaches Texas kids to ‘run, hide, fight’ in a shooting
Stay Safe book, produced by a law enforcement consulting firm in Houston, was sent home in backpacks of children

Tell me we aren't fucked by law enforcement, or that it isn't an armed arm of the fascist take-over.  Keep us all terrified all the time of violence, that is the foundation of the take-over.  Ask Hitler.

For reasons evidently the mainstream media here remain awfully quiet about these matters:

Florida groups warn America of danger from ‘dictator’ DeSantis
Minority and activist groups say Florida is ‘canary in the coalmine’ and warn rights will be trampled on if governor becomes president

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/25/florida-groups-america-white-house-ron-desantis

 

Edited May 25, 2023 by Zorral

[Jace, Extat]

I didnt say he was good at debating. I said he's amazing at debates. 

Country of 350 million, probably 50,000-ish actually give a fuck about substance, let alone have the tools to parse it. 

The rest are there for the freak show. 

He's gonna attack on Covid, school shutdowns, inflation, defense spending in Ukraine, say "Nukes, Nukes, scary Nukes" a few times and start ranting about Hunter's laptop. 

None of it has to be coherent. None of it has to be true. He just has to say it over and over again like some kind, idk, some kind of Big Lie.

 

[Zorral]

These cops can't/won't defend and protect children from murdering murderers, but they stop them from hearing and reading poetry.  They also STEAL a trademark -- this Winnie is the property now of Disney.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

7 minutes ago, Secretary of Eumenes said:

I didnt say he was good at debating. I said he's amazing at debates. 

Country of 350 million, probably 50,000-ish actually give a fuck about substance, let alone have the tools to parse it. 

The rest are there for the freak show. 

He's gonna attack on Covid, school shutdowns, inflation, defense spending in Ukraine, say "Nukes, Nukes, scary Nukes" a few times and start ranting about Hunter's laptop. 

None of it has to be coherent. None of it has to be true. He just has to say it over and over again like some kind, idk, some kind of Big Lie.

 

While I agree on the Big Lie part, Trump is someone who should be easily dispatched if you're willing to go there. Just tell the crowd we all know he has a small, useless dick and we all know this because he was fucking a porn star rawdog while his wife was at home nursing their newborn. Just be super crude with an audience that's become use to liking it. Emasculate the fuck out of him. Then his balloon pops.

 

Also, just breaking, Stewart Rhodes got 18 years. Should have been life, but it's a start.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

10 minutes ago, Zorral said:

These cops can't/won't defend and protect children from murdering murderers, but they stop them from hearing and reading poetry.  They also STEAL a trademark -- this Winnie is the property now of Disney.

I mean, this is kind of funny:

 

The Mouse is up next. 

[Kalbear]

DeSantis' rollout is not great, but it probably is meaningless for his success. It is, however, a pretty damning indictment of using Twitter as that kind of platform and looks pretty shitty for Musk. 

[Gaston de Foix]

15 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

That he's a younger, more dynamic Trump who got a tech dudebro to partner with him. Since he has a history of governance people are already aware of where he stands on the above, with his added flavor of being one of the right's primary anti-woke warriors

Yeah, that's what he stands for/is perceived for, fair enough.  I'm less convinced that it was the message Joe Sixpack took away from the aborted launch.  

[Gaston de Foix]

43 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

While I agree on the Big Lie part, Trump is someone who should be easily dispatched if you're willing to go there. Just tell the crowd we all know he has a small, useless dick and we all know this because he was fucking a porn star rawdog while his wife was at home nursing their newborn. Just be super crude with an audience that's become use to liking it. Emasculate the fuck out of him. Then his balloon pops.

Does this specific line of criticism emasculate him or valorize him with his base? His implicit pitch is, sure I was fucking the porn star and getting away with it and you would too if you had my money and fame.  

[maarsen]

1 minute ago, Gaston de Foix said:

Does this specific line of criticism emasculate him or valorize him with his base? His implicit pitch is, sure I was fucking the porn star and getting away with it and you would too if you had my money and fame.  

Paying  $130,000 for a quick dipping of the wick is not something one brags about. That is the point to make.  

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

8 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Paying  $130,000 for a quick dipping of the wick is not something one brags about. That is the point to make.  

And that on top of it he's a pathetic lay. Kind of kills the strongman vibes. 

[DMC]

1 hour ago, Kalnestk Oblast said:

It is, however, a pretty damning indictment of using Twitter as that kind of platform and looks pretty shitty for Musk. 

Yeah that was the bonus and why I was sure to include him in the title.

If you're going to go after Trump about Stormy Daniels, you obviously just repeatedly reference Toad from Mario Kart.

[Kalbear]

39 minutes ago, maarsen said:

Paying  $130,000 for a quick dipping of the wick is not something one brags about. That is the point to make.  

It kind of is. Fucking porn stars and being rich enough to not care about it is kind of the American dream. It is not particularly emasculating, and certainly won't be to his audience. 

If you want to emasculate him you'd need to say something about his kid's parentage or those rumors of his wife hooking up with the secret service.

[Martell Spy]

Yep, lock the terrorist up.

Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes sentenced to 18 years in prison for plot to keep Trump in power

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/25/politics/oath-keepers-sentencing-stewart-rhodes-kelly-meggs/index.html

Quote

 

Stewart Rhodes, the founder and leader of the Oath Keepers, was sentenced to 18 years in prison on Thursday for leading a far-reaching plot to keep then-President Donald Trump in power after he lost the 2020 election.

The sentence is the first handed down in over a decade for seditious conspiracy.

“What we absolutely cannot have is a group of citizens who – because they did not like the outcome of an election, who did not believe the law was followed as it should be – forment revolution,” District Judge Amit Mehta said before handing down the sentence. “That is what you did.”

“I dare say, Mr. Rhodes – and I never have said this to anyone I have sentenced – you pose an ongoing threat and peril to our democracy and the fabric of this country,” Mehta said.

The judge added: “I dare say we all now hold our collective breaths when an election is approaching. Will we have another January 6 again? That remains to be seen.”

Mehta said Rhodes, 58, has expressed no remorse and continues to be a threat.

“A seditious conspiracy, when you take those two concepts and put it together, is among the most serious crimes an American can commit,” the judge said. “It is an offense against the government to use force. It is an offense against the people of our country.”

Earlier on Thursday, Mehta ruled that Rhodes’ actions amounted to domestic terrorism.

 

 

[Mindwalker]

In case someone still cares, there are some mildly interesting new insights into the documents case:

- Two of Donald Trump’s employees moved boxes of papers the day before FBI agents and a prosecutor visited the former president’s Florida home to retrieve classified documents in response to a subpoena — timing that investigators have come to view as suspicious ... (no kidding, Sherlock!)

- Trump and his aides also allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving sensitive papers even before his office received the May 2022 subpoena, ...

- Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/25/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/

I'm sure someone is very close to moving towards inching closer to ponder an indictment, for something or other, any month or year now.

Edited May 25, 2023 by Mindwalker