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On 5/30/2023 at 9:02 PM, Madame deVenoge said:

I’m going to ask this here:

Are y’all going to judge us very harshly if we try and use Percocet and a few shots of vodka as a painkiller for what turned out to be a dental abscess? For the record, it did not work, but I was too embarrassed to go in and stayed in pain for a few hours more than I maybe could have.

No judgement here!  Plus, dental pain is bad. I think the only time I've been a bit skeptical of someone's actions has been when they decided to pop an abscess themselves and then that didn't go...quite as they planned, which then led to them coming to us.

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1 hour ago, Raja said:

No judgement here!  Plus, dental pain is bad. I think the only time I've been a bit skeptical of someone's actions has been when they decided to pop an abscess themselves and then that didn't go...quite as they planned, which then led to them coming to us.

Oh god! Oh god!!! No, there was no way I could have even attempted to pop that abscess, myself. It was super deep, there was no way I was even going to see it. 

By the time I got to the ER and got admitted on Saturday night, I was in Really Bad Shape.

I’d been to the ER that Saturday morning and they called the Infectious Disease doctor (a real doctor!! Most ER staff here are nurse practitioners or PAs) who gave me an infusion of Invanz, and asked me to come in-office (GA Infectious Disease) on Sunday for another infusion, unless it got worse (to which point I was supposed to go back to the ER). After the Saturday morning Invanz, I went home and went to bed, because all I could do was sleep. I woke up, bad, bad, bad. The swelling was starting to close off my airway and I am just gonna confess it, I had no bowel control. Possibly because of the side effects of the various antibiotics that I was on, because I’d been on high doses of Metronidazole and something else that was taken 4x per day (ah! Clindamycin!) and then the Invanz.

I went back to the ER, and you KNOW it’s bad when they take you back right away on a Saturday night in a big city.

They were worried about sepsis and started a drip of Invanz and Vancomycin right away, and admitted me. Emergency oral surgery that Sunday night, when they could get the oral surgeon to come through.

Oh, god, it was miserable. I was there for four days, on that drip. And the drain that the oral surgeon manufactured out of a finger of a glove was fucking genius. But, oh, the taste of the stuff that came out was vile.

The oral surgeon and I got in touch just as I was getting discharged - he needed to remove that drain and stitch it up.

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18 minutes ago, LongRider said:

:blink:  What a story @Madame deVenoge , glad to hear you're on the mend.  

Oh, it was 2014, so a good long time ago :D thank you, though!!!!

It took 6 months for the surgical site to heal, and then the oral surgeon was able to put in the implant post, and then another 6 months later, they were able to place the crown.

Thank god it was tooth 19 and I could get away with not smiling too big and no one would notice, while 19 was obviously missing. 

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Just now, Madame deVenoge said:

Oh, it was 2014, so a good long time ago :D thank you, though!!!!

It took 6 months for the surgical site to heal, and then the oral surgeon was able to put in the implant post, and then another 6 months later, they were able to place the crown.

Thank god it was tooth 19 and I could get away with not smiling too big and no one would notice, while 19 was obviously missing. 

Thanks for the update, still, what a story!  

I think I'll go brush my teeth now.   

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@Tywin et al. has seen the pics.

Anyways - while brushing and flossing twice a day and getting one’s teeth cleaned four times per year IS what I do and is also just a good thing to do, that will not save you from a dental abscess, @LongRider.

Number 19 was caused by the history of: filling, which led to an inlay 10 years later, which led to the inlay failing and the tooth needing a crown after another 10 years. The crown was placed with something maybe a millimeter away from the nerve; the dentist was nervous.

The dentist was right to be nervous, because my severe clenching and grinding habit (which is the reason for all of the above restorations failing after 10 years each) got that nerve and killed it a few months later.

Tooth 19 then caused a visit to the endodontist and two root canals, a week apart. 

Apparently, that grinding habit caused the infection to set in maybe before the first root canal and during the dying of the nerve it was brewing. Regardless, three a days after the second root canal I looked liked the Wikipedia picture for “dental abscess”.

Teeth 3 and 20 were more easily identified by me with 3 also causing an abscess (grinding again - root absorption being noted just prior on x-ray) and 20 identified by me noting a dead but not infected nerve after some overly aggressive orthodontia…and were straight visits to the oral surgeon: pull, bone graft, 6 months healing, place implant, 6 months healing, place crown.

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I had oral surgery in my 20s, had my wisdom teeth removed as I had another pair of wisdoms coming in the upper jaw.  That's right, 6 wisdom teeth all together.   Plenty of pain and but nothing, nothing like yours.   Have you been able to calm the clenching and grinding?  

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10 hours ago, Madame deVenoge said:

@Tywin et al. has seen the pics.

Anyways - while brushing and flossing twice a day and getting one’s teeth cleaned four times per year IS what I do and is also just a good thing to do, that will not save you from a dental abscess, @LongRider.

Number 19 was caused by the history of: filling, which led to an inlay 10 years later, which led to the inlay failing and the tooth needing a crown after another 10 years. The crown was placed with something maybe a millimeter away from the nerve; the dentist was nervous.

The dentist was right to be nervous, because my severe clenching and grinding habit (which is the reason for all of the above restorations failing after 10 years each) got that nerve and killed it a few months later.

Tooth 19 then caused a visit to the endodontist and two root canals, a week apart. 

Apparently, that grinding habit caused the infection to set in maybe before the first root canal and during the dying of the nerve it was brewing. Regardless, three a days after the second root canal I looked liked the Wikipedia picture for “dental abscess”.

Teeth 3 and 20 were more easily identified by me with 3 also causing an abscess (grinding again - root absorption being noted just prior on x-ray) and 20 identified by me noting a dead but not infected nerve after some overly aggressive orthodontia…and were straight visits to the oral surgeon: pull, bone graft, 6 months healing, place implant, 6 months healing, place crown.

Wow.

The older I get the more I see teeth and dental problems as a genetic lottery.  I brush (twice a day), floss, and waterpick in the evenings before bed.  

I’ve never had a cavity in 52 years.  My gums suck and I’m fighting a receding gum line… but never a cavity.

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I had surgery to remove my wisdom teeth. Oral health really grinds my gears. I had several cavities and braces from 7th grade to junior year of high school. The amount of pain that havoc'ed my mouth was enormous. Before braces, I had this thing called a Bionator which supposedly stretched my lower jaw because I was born with a small lower jaw! They said that they could either do it this way to stretch my lower jaw or to break my jaw in surgery and reset it. We chose the you guessed it bionator! hated the smelly contraptions of the Bionator and the retainer. I have pretty okay oral health and haven't been in years because I do not want another tooth removed (even though there is nothing to fear because I have no outlaying teeth that need to be pulled). I do not use mouthwash like ever and only brush in the mornings, but at least it's every day. 

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"Literally"

I assume nearly every member of these wonderful Westeros forums the past twenty years loves the English language to some degree.

I love the intricacies of slang and casual dialects and constantly evolving language. I find it fascinating how fast casual dialect changes within a couple years. But, my gears fully ground, they cry out that I just hate how a nice, clear term like "literally" now has... literally reversed its meaning in this depressing zeitgeist. No, you little shit, you are not 'literally gonna die'.

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On 6/8/2023 at 9:37 PM, polishgenius said:

 

Yeah, had it 18 months or so ago. Hoping the after-effects are less onerous this time, I was fatigued and sick for the whole of last year. Fingers crossed. 

Oh sorry to hear :( hoping you feel much better this time. I’m assuming this is about covid (sorry if it’s not!) but I’ve got a nasty out of post viral fatigue at the moment that I’m trying to deal with. The fatigue is unreal. 
 

so I guess what grinds my gears is some people still not even believing in chronic fatigue 

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7 hours ago, Theda Baratheon said:

Oh sorry to hear :( hoping you feel much better this time. I’m assuming this is about covid (sorry if it’s not!) but I’ve got a nasty out of post viral fatigue at the moment that I’m trying to deal with. The fatigue is unreal. 
 

so I guess what grinds my gears is some people still not even believing in chronic fatigue 

Same. I got a really bad case of Covid and it's taken two plus months to get back on my feet. Normally I only need 5-6 hours of sleep to function, but I've spent the last few months sleeping 12 or more hours a day and have often times been in a daze when awake. Weirdest shit I've ever experienced. However hopefully I'm in the clear now. 

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14 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Same. I got a really bad case of Covid and it's taken two plus months to get back on my feet. Normally I only need 5-6 hours of sleep to function, but I've spent the last few months sleeping 12 or more hours a day and have often times been in a daze when awake. Weirdest shit I've ever experienced. However hopefully I'm in the clear now. 

Definitely don’t push it or feel too guilty about it. Must be a big shock to your routines but we can only do what we can do! 

it was so bizarre for me - I was at the end of a real lifestyle change, had lost 2 stone, and on my birthday 24th April I went for a stunning 12 + miles coastal hike and was feeling really fit. Even ran up the giant hill! And then that evening I was BEDBOUND and woke up the next day and all the horrible symptoms started. 
 

im on week 7 I think and have another 2 weeks off work to try and get back on my feet. Really scary stuff and I hope you and everyone else dealing with it feels healthy and well as soon as possible. 

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25 minutes ago, Theda Baratheon said:

it was so bizarre for me - I was at the end of a real lifestyle change, had lost 2 stone, and on my birthday 24th April I went for a stunning 12 + miles coastal hike and was feeling really fit. Even ran up the giant hill! And then that evening I was BEDBOUND and woke up the next day and all the horrible symptoms started. 

 

 

Ah man, that's horrid. But yeah, my fatigue was never that bad but it was a similar principle- I could do a walk or whatever, it'd be later or the next day that I'd feel awful. 

 

It also made me really susceptible to other infections for the whole year.


My doctor gave me the whole of this week off, which I almost feel bad about coz I'm pretty definitely gonna be 'well enough to work' by like Thursday at the latest, but at the same time she was sending me back when I wanted last year and after like the fifth visit she was like 'dude you clearly need to fully recover, take the time I'm giving you' so now I don't argue. 

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