The Silver Queen and the Weirwolves

[LongRider]

40 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

It's astonishing how nothing about your theory is supported by text. 

Also Skagos is a part of the Seven Kingdoms.

For all we know there might be more direwolves there than Shaggy Dog.  Hmmm, wonder if Rickon has skinchanged a unicorn yet?    

[Darth Sidious]

On 5/30/2023 at 10:27 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

The Silver Queen versus the weirwolves is one of A Song of Ice and Fire's motifs.  Silver is the one element which reliably kills werewolves.  It follows and reinforces the more obvious theme of Fire and Ice battling each other.  Opposing elements, opposing families, fighting each other. 

Daenerys Targaryen rides the Silver horse, has silver-blonde hair.  She is the Silver Lady in the early pages of A Game of Thrones.  Roose Bolton betrayed Robb Stark for silver.  Silver will be the downfall of the Starks.  Weirwood is the antagonistic elemental to the dragons.  Since the Valyrians ruled the western end of Essos it is understandable why they would cut down all of those weirwoods.  Humans relocated to Westeros and felled the weirwoods. 

The Starks are slowly accepting their primitive, brutal history.  In my opinion, the Starks will be Direwolves in the end.  DW are the more primitive of the wolves. 

The Stark kids are fast becoming evil villains. Jon destabilized an institution that has stood for thousands of years to rescue his sister. Arya is already a crazed serial killer preying on people. Bran is a voyeuristic skinchanger.  Daenerys and her three dragons are the Silver that will put those WeirStarks to the graves. At least push them to the other side of the wall. 

[Lady Stonehearts Simp]

1 hour ago, Darth Sidious said:

The Stark kids are fast becoming evil villains. Jon destabilized an institution that has stood for thousands of years to rescue his sister. Arya is already a crazed serial killer preying on people. Bran is a voyeuristic skinchanger.  Daenerys and her three dragons are the Silver that will put those WeirStarks to the graves. At least push them to the other side of the wall. 

They aren’t no matter how often you and your ilk try to speak it into existance

[Craving Peaches]

5 hours ago, Darth Sidious said:

The Stark kids are fast becoming evil villains. Jon destabilized an institution that has stood for thousands of years to rescue his sister. Arya is already a crazed serial killer preying on people. Bran is a voyeuristic skinchanger.  Daenerys and her three dragons are the Silver that will put those WeirStarks to the graves. At least push them to the other side of the wall. 

Repeating something baselessly over and over again doesn't make it true no matter how many times you do it.

[Aerodimas]

For me all the povs are writen in a way that could make them the villains from a certain point of vew (except Ned, thats why he died).

[Lady Stonehearts Simp]

3 hours ago, Aerodimas said:

For me all the povs are writen in a way that could make them the villains from a certain point of vew (except Ned, thats why he died).

Being a villain from a specific characters point of view is different between a villain in the overarching story.

Jaime isn’t a villain in the overall story but he is to several characters.

Walder Frey may not be a villain in his own mind, but he is to everyone else.

[Aerodimas]

9 hours ago, Lady Stonehearts Simp said:

Being a villain from a specific characters point of view is different between a villain in the overarching story.

Jaime isn’t a villain in the overall story but he is to several characters.

Walder Frey may not be a villain in his own mind, but he is to everyone else.

That is what i'm refering.

There is no way that after reading an Arya chapter or a Jon one you say "This is the villain of the history".

But if you read a Cercei chapter and in the small table they speack of how Jon betrayed the watch only to become lord comander you can see how in other povs he can be a villain.

[LongRider]

8 hours ago, Aerodimas said:

But if you read a Cercei chapter and in the small table they speack of how Jon betrayed the watch only to become lord comander you can see how in other povs he can be a villain.

This is not quite accurate; they do speak of Jon being voted in as LC.  They called Jon a traitor because of Stannis being at the Wall, which he was before Jon became LC. 

Remember the Castle Black bath scene where Jon heard Thorne, Marsh and Othell plotting?  They were discussing Tywin's plot to get Janos Slynt elected.  It they had been able to hatch Tywin's plot as they wanted to, they all would have been traitors.  Or, villains, if you wish.

There are, however, villains in the small council scene and they are Cersei and Qyburn.

[Aerodimas]

2 hours ago, LongRider said:

This is not quite accurate; they do speak of Jon being voted in as LC.  They called Jon a traitor because of Stannis being at the Wall, which he was before Jon became LC. 

Remember the Castle Black bath scene where Jon heard Thorne, Marsh and Othell plotting?  They were discussing Tywin's plot to get Janos Slynt elected.  It they had been able to hatch Tywin's plot as they wanted to, they all would have been traitors.  Or, villains, if you wish.

There are, however, villains in the small council scene and they are Cersei and Qyburn.

Vasrious pov have different subjective opinions and that diversity of opinion validate multiple interpretations.

For my Ned is a good guy, for a diehard Targaryen fan he's just the usurper's dog.

[Bowen 747]

On 5/30/2023 at 10:27 PM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

The Silver Queen versus the weirwolves is one of A Song of Ice and Fire's motifs.  Silver is the one element which reliably kills werewolves.  It follows and reinforces the more obvious theme of Fire and Ice battling each other.  Opposing elements, opposing families, fighting each other. 

Daenerys Targaryen rides the Silver horse, has silver-blonde hair.  She is the Silver Lady in the early pages of A Game of Thrones.  Roose Bolton betrayed Robb Stark for silver.  Silver will be the downfall of the Starks.  Weirwood is the antagonistic elemental to the dragons.  Since the Valyrians ruled the western end of Essos it is understandable why they would cut down all of those weirwoods.  Humans relocated to Westeros and felled the weirwoods. 

The Starks are slowly accepting their primitive, brutal history.  In my opinion, the Starks will be Direwolves in the end.  DW are the more primitive of the wolves. 

It will be Targaryen fighting the Starks to save the living in the end.  Bran will be mad enough to bring winter to Westeros.  Daenerys and her troops will put an end to winter and save the living. 

[Lady Stonehearts Simp]

32 minutes ago, Bowen 747 said:

It will be Targaryen fighting the Starks to save the living in the end.  Bran will be mad enough to bring winter to Westeros.  Daenerys and her troops will put an end to winter and save the living. 

Keep this shite on Archive of Our Own

[Craving Peaches]

15 minutes ago, Lady Stonehearts Simp said:

Keep this shite on Archive of Our Own

Archive of Our Own has mild quality control. That post belongs on Wattpad or fanfiction.net.

[kissdbyfire]

1 hour ago, Bowen 747 said:

It will be Targaryen fighting the Starks to save the living in the end.  Bran will be mad enough to bring winter to Westeros.  Daenerys and her troops will put an end to winter and save the living. 

What. Bran will bring winter to Westeros? Really? So are we gonna have 12 more books or something? Coz it’s winter now, so we’d have to go through spring, summer and autumn so that Bran can “bring winter to Westeros”, and with the crazy seasons that could take decades. 
Anyway, it’s oddly comforting to see that the poor grasp you have on the story remains unchanged. 

[LongRider]

22 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Anyway, it’s oddly comforting to see that the poor grasp you have on the story remains unchanged

It's nice to have something one can count on, isn't it?    

[LongRider]

By the time Bran brings the winter to Westeros all the Starks will be zombies.   A reminder to Dany, when it comes to zombies, always double tap.  Always.    

[Quoth the raven,]

On 5/31/2023 at 11:04 AM, Aerodimas said:

The last book was going to be named a time for wolves, i doubt that all the starks will die.

 

Rickon will not.  Jon, Arya, and Bran will die but their spirits will find new homes in the wolves.  Bran's will flit from wolf to wood.  I might add to this main topic.  Bran is a weirwood.  Part tree, part boy, part wolf.  And he freely moves from one to the other. 

On 5/31/2023 at 11:04 AM, Aerodimas said:

BTW Sansa no longer has a direwolf.

Sansa is the one to die for sure.  The red shirt. 

[LongRider]

1 hour ago, Quoth the raven, said:

Rickon will not.  Jon, Arya, and Bran will die but their spirits will find new homes in the wolves.  Bran's will flit from wolf to wood.  I might add to this main topic.  Bran is a weirwood.  Part tree, part boy, part wolf.  And he freely moves from one to the other. 

Sansa is the one to die for sure.  The red shirt. 

Dull fan fiction. 

[LadySage]

On 6/1/2023 at 7:11 AM, Evolett said:

Judging by these quotes and the magical properties attritubted to silver and its power to overcome werewolves, it appears silver is a bad omen for Starks.

I however propose a different line of logic. It is not what it seems to be.

If you take a close look at the North, you will find its prominent symbols closely associated with silver. This includes the Wall and the weirwoods as well as less obvious symbols such as silver clasps etc. particular to the Starks. Somewhere in the text, it is mentioned that the predominant currency in the North is silver as opposed to gold. This is probably because the Lannisters are the main generators of gold in the south, through the mines at Casterly Rock, while such a source appears to be missing in the North. In Westeros, silversmiths are only mentioned at White Harbour. When Lord Manderly talks of minting new coin, he mentions silver being held back by the customs officers, silver that should have been paid to the King in the North:

 

 

I would argue that rather than silver symbolizing a means to eliminate Starks (or werewolves as the OP portrays it), the silver metal stands in opposition to gold and is a representation of the Stark/Lannister feud. This becomes evident when you consider that much of the misfortune to befall our silver-associated Starks and Tullys (silver trout) has come about on account of Lannister aggression and greed. Golden Lions were behind Bran’s fall from the tower, the attack on Bran’s life thereafter, the attack on Ned and his subsequent execution, the marriage of Sansa to Tyrion, the ravaging of the Riverlands ruled by Tullys of the silver trout, Robb Stark’s assassination, together with his mother and thousands of his Northmen.

Ned who wore the silver Hand’s clasp was eventually replaced by Tywin who wore a chain of gold hands and whose golden grandson was responsible for Ned’s death. To me, all this is an indication of clear symbolism pointing to silver versus gold.

When Sansa is married to Tyrion, this is what her attire looks like:

 

Sansa is very much the Silver Princess here. Even the direwolf is embroidered in silver. And she is just being married off so that the golden Lannisters can lay claim to Winterfell in the future.

Sansa very much highlights the contrast and antagonism between the silver (Starks) and gold (Lannisters). Riverrun of  the Silver Trout has been lost to Lannisters as well.

As the Silver Queen, Dany falls into the silver-category herself. Her father is killed by a golden lion. Like Sansa, she is married off against her will to a man thought of as barbarous or monstrous. That Silver Dany stands in opposition to gold is also evidenced by the golden Lannister occupation of the Iron Throne. She will also be up against fAegon and the Golden Company. An argument can be made for Robert Baratheon’s association with the gold faction through his banner and marriage to Cersei. Robert swept the Targaryens away and wanted Dany dead. There is also the prophecy about the Gold of Casterly Rock bringing down the Valyrians and silver Dany is the last official true born ancestor of that empire.

We are not looking at a case of silver in terms of silver bringing down wargs or the silver-associated. On the contrary, the essence here is a Gold vrs. Silver motif and like the Starks, Dany belongs in the silver faction.

Good to see you on here, @Evolett 

[Ser Arthurs Dawn]

On 6/6/2023 at 6:20 PM, Quoth the raven, said:

Rickon will not.  Jon, Arya, and Bran will die but their spirits will find new homes in the wolves.  Bran's will flit from wolf to wood.  I might add to this main topic.  Bran is a weirwood.  Part tree, part boy, part wolf.  And he freely moves from one to the other. 

Sansa is the one to die for sure.  The red shirt. 

How are you so sure that Rickon will live? I would love it if he did, but he's probably the most likely to die. And as for the rest living in their wolves, that only lasts for so long. Eventually the wolves would consume their souls.

[Craving Peaches]

Honestly, do the people who 'support' this theory (excluding Frey Family Reunion who provided actual quotes) really believe it, or are they just saying so because they don't like the Starks?