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9 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Pull back and stop huffing glue like Charlie did when he created The Dayman. A single source that's unverified and discredited per the FBI making a claim does not mean Biden did anything wrong, especially when we consider everything going on and the people making these kinds of claims are known liars. They're just throwing shit at the wall. If you want to tell yourself it's pudding, eat it with three fingers full of joy, but you're probably just eating shit.

 

We didn't phase out lead paint fast enough to save us all apparently.

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2 hours ago, Gaston de Foix said:

Right, unquestionably.  But all three arguably mishandled classified information (one of the Trump charges). 

Trump seriously aggravated that charge and committed other crimes by as you say "knowingly stealing state secrets and lying about it".  But through the lens of a (South Florida!) jury, the defense argument is that Trump's underlying crime was not that different from what Pence and Biden have done.  

However the jury is suppose to not take that into account. The evidence against Trump is cut and dried here as he's admitted to it. His only hope is that a diehard support lies their way onto the jury and then hangs it up.

 

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4 hours ago, Mindwalker said:

I think going to Florida was a smart move; he would have tried to change the venue anyway (and this time not without merit), one delay tactic less.

That said, I don't see a conviction before the general election; and even then, he'd appeal.

Agreed on the venue thing.  It was a good way to preempt something he was going to employ as a delay tactic.

As for him appealing a potential conviction, of course.  Although, most of the time convicted people still are serving their sentence while awaiting appeal.

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Lol, the judge is Aileen Cannon, the one that tried appointing a special master to the investigation until the circuit court slapped her down. What a shitshow if she's still presiding when this goes to trial.

ETA: There's a good chance she won't be; either from the circuit stepping in early to order her to recuse herself or from DOJ appealing the assignment.

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39 minutes ago, Fez said:

ETA: There's a good chance she won't be; either from the circuit stepping in early to order her to recuse herself or from DOJ appealing the assignment.

Yeah, while she may reside over initial proceedings, this will almost certainly change.

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Democrats pushing for debt limit overhaul bill:

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House and Senate Democrats are reportedly planning to introduce legislation Friday to overhaul the debt ceiling process in response to the default scare where lawmakers came extremely close to careening the economy into an unprecedented and dangerous situation.

The Debt Ceiling Reform Act is sponsored by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), the No. 2 Senate Democrat, and Rep. Brendan Boyle (D-PA), the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee, according to the Wall Street Journal, which adds that Democrats are hoping to capitalize on the discord and dysfunction seen in Congress over the past few months due to debt ceiling disagreements. [...]

The bill would reportedly allow the Treasury Department to continue paying bills for the country's existing commitments, and to stop this, Congress would have 30 days to pass a veto-proof joint disapproval resolution, where a two-thirds vote in the House and Senate would be needed.

Not gonna pass the GOP House, but this woulda been a good idea when they had unified government.  Could maybe get 60 votes in the Senate.

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7 minutes ago, DMC said:

Democrats pushing for debt limit overhaul bill:

Not gonna pass the GOP House, but this woulda been a good idea when they had unified government.  Could maybe get 60 votes in the Senate.

Next time Democrats have a trifecta they should push it again. Although if that should be 2025, I don't know if they'll be willing to immediately spend political capital on this; which they'd have to with the current 1/1/25 debt ceiling deadline (although that's pre-next round of emergency measures, so there'd be a few months).

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10 minutes ago, Mindwalker said:

Btw, I don't know where in FL you are, @DMC, close enough to attend a trial, if there is one?

Based on Cannon's post it sounds like it's in Miami, which makes sense.  That's nearly a five hour drive from Tampa.  So, no.

2 minutes ago, Fez said:

Next time Democrats have a trifecta they should push it again. Although if that should be 2025, I don't know if they'll be willing to immediately spend political capital on this; which they'd have to with the current 1/1/25 debt ceiling deadline (although that's pre-next round of emergency measures, so there'd be a few months).

Assuming they retake the House and Biden is reelected - definitely a huge assumption - I don't think it'd be a bad idea to go for it right from the start.  It's not like presidents usually get major agenda items through during their second term in this day and age anyway.  Only one in my lifetime to really try was Dubya with SS reform.  Also, yeah, they'll probably have til around now in 2025 when you count all the emergency measures.

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15 minutes ago, Kalnestk Oblast said:

The idea that Biden would get a trifecta - especially in 2025 with Sinema and Manchin - is doing a LOT of heavy lifting. 

Of course.  I don't think either of us are arguing otherwise, just a hypothetical.  The Arizona seat, though, is clearly in less danger than Manchin's - even if he runs he's going to lose to Justice - as well as Tester's and Brown's.

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16 hours ago, Jaxom 1974 said:

Have the faithful taken to the streets yet and made it run red with the blood of the leftists yet...? It's been an hour or so...

Alas -- they are getting ready:

 

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Apparently there'll be a DOJ indictment press conference today.

Special Counsel Jack Smith holds press conference on Trump Indictment from Department of Justice Headquarters.  (MeidasTouch, who are annoying, but usually right about these things.)

Trump indictment unsealed in documents case

The indictment unsealed Friday outlined two circumstances in which Trump allegedly showed the documents to others.

One occurred in a meeting with a writer at his Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey, where he described federal officials’ “plan of attack” against him and purportedly acknowledging that he knew the information “is still a secret.”

In a later meeting with a representative from his political action committee, Trump displayed “a classified map related to a military operation,” acknowledging he “should not be showing it to the representative and that the representative should not get too close,” prosecutors said.

 

In the next paragraph, prosecutors note how Trump, at a press conference while president in 2017, addressed media leaks and said that leaking classified information is “an illegal process” and that people involved “should be ashamed of themselves.”

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-classified-documents-indictment-live-updates-d50264cc69b9a6eefd8e47821359ff5e

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