Alden Rothack Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Putting aside the details of how they did so, what do you think would happen if the mountain and his men were killed or captured by Loras, Dundarion and their companions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 The mountain would deny it and demand a trial by combat, he would also deny any orders by tywin. Ned being honourable will take the peasants at their word and the word of the sers he sent to capture him and order him killed or to go to the wall..no trial! All bullys are cowards so hel plead to go to the wall instead (ned would grant) or attempt to kill ned on the spot and the kingsguard, goldcloaks and stark personal would cut him down...eventualy Sandor will leave jofs service to eother go brood at his her home at house clegane or go wander essos as a sellsword Doran and oberyn hear of the news amd adjust their plans, tywin cant be easily gotten out of casterly rock...most likely now the red viper goes to kl to try and antagonise tywin to leave by messing with jamie, cersei,lancel or even tyrion etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, astarkchoice said: The mountain would deny it and demand a trial by combat, he would also deny any orders by tywin. agreed 1 minute ago, astarkchoice said: Ned being honourable will take the peasants at their word and the word of the sers he sent to capture him and order him killed or to go to the wall..no trial! Ned would grant it and appoint either whoever beat him in order to capture him or another volunteer, Loras might suggest the hound as further reward for saving his life. 1 minute ago, astarkchoice said: All bullys are cowards so hel plead to go to the wall instead (ned would grant) or attempt to kill ned on the spot and the kingsguard, goldcloaks and stark personal would cut him down...eventualy The Mountain might well try and kill Ned, it was touch and go at the torney whether he would attack Robert. 1 minute ago, astarkchoice said: Sandor will leave jofs service to eother go brood at his her home at house clegane or go wander essos as a sellsword agree if he doesn't either serve as champion or go after the mountain should he choose the wall and die attacking him. 1 minute ago, astarkchoice said: Doran and oberyn hear of the news amd adjust their plans, tywin cant be easily gotten out of casterly rock...most likely now the red viper goes to kl to try and antagonise tywin to leave by messing with jamie, cersei,lancel or even tyrion etc Agree, i'd quite like to see Jaime fight Oberyn for a number of reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: agreed Ned would grant it and appoint either whoever beat him in order to capture him or another volunteer, Loras might suggest the hound as further reward for saving his life. The Mountain might well try and kill Ned, it was touch and go at the torney whether he would attack Robert. agree if he doesn't either serve as champion or go after the mountain should he choose the wall and die attacking him. Agree, i'd quite like to see Jaime fight Oberyn for a number of reasons Agree with most but id say ned would deny him the right of combat. The trial is where theres some.doubt for the gods to choose whos lying. The mountain would of course say his word as an annointed knight is worth more than a few peasants and of course ned would stand up for them...then remind him as well that a few annointed knights the band that went after him saw him at his massacring so a trial isnt needed. As for how hed be brought in id def say loras is more than capable. Hes arguably the best lance in the kingdom which means hed probably meet gregor while.both are on horseback and knock him senseless to the ground or even pierce armour with a battle.lance as one of berics deaths went. In combat grmm lists him as one of the strongest fighters and best swordsmen. Jamie vs oberyn would be interesting Edited June 10, 2023 by astarkchoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: Agree with most but id say ned would deny him the right of combat. The trial is where theres some.doubt for the gods to choose whos lying. The mountain would of course say his word as an annointed knight is worth more than a few peasants and of course ned would stand up for them...then remind him as well that a few annointed knights the band that went after him saw him at his massacring so a trial isnt needed. As for how hed be brought in id def say loras is more than capable. Hes arguably the best lance in the kingdom which means hed probably meet gregor while.both are on horseback and knock him senseless to the ground or even pierce armour with a battle.lance as one of berics deaths went. In combat grmm lists him as one of the strongest fighters and best swordsmen. Loras against the mountain would be interesting 2 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: Jamie vs oberyn would be interesting I also agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said: Loras against the mountain would be interesting I also agree Big size difference but loras is listed as an expert in morningstar and battleaxe too.... weapons that can be giant killers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, astarkchoice said: Big size difference but loras is listed as an expert in morningstar and battleaxe too.... weapons that can be giant killers They certainly are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otatop1000 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I don’t see Loras beating The Mountain. He beat him in game, by playing within the rules but clearly was gaming the system. In open battle Ser Gregor could perhaps be unhorsed. However, he would cleave through Loras and his mare on a second pass. Without a true brute like Sandor in the fight Ser Gregor wins any battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astarkchoice Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Otatop1000 said: I don’t see Loras beating The Mountain. He beat him in game, by playing within the rules but clearly was gaming the system. In open battle Ser Gregor could perhaps be unhorsed. However, he would cleave through Loras and his mare on a second pass. Without a true brute like Sandor in the fight Ser Gregor wins any battle. Being unhorsed with a war lance isnt the same as a jousting one though , and if hes alive/not oit cold for a 2nd pass that 2nd lance may be left sticking out of him! On the ground we are told loras is one of the strongest fighters and best swordsmen in westeros by grmm himself..and its his world! Let him use an axe and battlestar and a single.shot could end gregor too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otatop1000 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Loras himself professes that his brother Ser Garlan is better sword fighter. However that could be Loras humbling himself. I believe the Bearded Minstrel said somewhere at some point (another great citing on my part) that there is no best sword, anyone could beat anyone on a given day. But google has him quoted saying Ser Arthur, Ser Jaime, and then Brienne the Beauty, as best. How Sandor isn’t listed is amazing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alden Rothack Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Otatop1000 said: Loras himself professes that his brother Ser Garlan is better sword fighter. However that could be Loras humbling himself. I believe the Bearded Minstrel said somewhere at some point (another great citing on my part) that there is no best sword, anyone could beat anyone on a given day. But google has him quoted saying Ser Arthur, Ser Jaime, and then Brienne the Beauty, as best. How Sandor isn’t listed is amazing to me. Ser Barristan, The Hound, Ser Jaime, Brienne, Garlan (supposedly) and Loras in order of effectiveness as of Roberts death obviously some of them decline and some of them improve later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craving Peaches Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 If poor Loras is killed by the Mountain it probably galvanises the Tyrells against the Lannisters, so when Renly dies they don't support them. Having said that, if Loras dies at that stage Renly might not die in the first place due to all the ripples it creates. Either way, it would not be good for the Lannisters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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