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1 minute ago, A wilding said:

Which does seem somewhat possible. The motives of people giving stories to the Sun can sometimes not be entirely pure.

Speaking as a parent... it's absolutely credible, even likely, that the mother genuinely feels her daughter was exploited and the daughter genuinely feels she was not. If so, it's terrible that this disagreement is now being played out in front of millions.

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5 minutes ago, mormont said:

Speaking as a parent... it's absolutely credible, even likely, that the mother genuinely feels her daughter was exploited and the daughter genuinely feels she was not. If so, it's terrible that this disagreement is now being played out in front of millions.

There is a difference between whether she feels exploited or not and whether events happened as stated.

The daughter might feel she wasn’t exploited and that’s possible given she made a lot of money selling photos to a guy she might see as a silly old perv. Maybe the mother thinks her daughter is being exploited because it’s hard to see it otherwise as a parent.

But it’s still probably very likely that this BBC presenter was buying pics off of her, so I’m not sure what the Sun is supposed to have got wrong here.

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22 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Unless there is some other reason the mother is making these claims other than trying to protect her daughter then yeah I’m inclined to believe the allegations 

She might be nuts. My parents separated in 1991, my Dad marryijg a Chilean woman. A few years later in my mid-teens, Ingot a letter from my dad asking if i wanted to move to Chile because ‘people’ (my aunt and my gran) had expressed (utterly baseless) concerns that I wasnt happy at home. Inwrote back saying I was fine.
When I was 18, I visited my Dad and his wife in Chile and learned that my gran and aunt had waged a campaign telling hin I was suicidal. The basis of this (so fsr as I can tell) was me phoning up my aunt years prior to ask if I’d left my toilet bag after ataying over for a few nights. Luckily my dad’s younger sister eventually told him i was fine and to ignore them.

My point is, family can make shit up in their heads. 

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6 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

There is a difference between whether she feels exploited or not and whether events happened as stated.

The daughter might feel she wasn’t exploited and that’s possible given she made a lot of money selling photos to a guy she might see as a silly old perv. Maybe the mother thinks her daughter is being exploited because it’s hard to see it otherwise as a parent.

But it’s still probably very likely that this BBC presenter was buying pics off of her, so I’m not sure what the Sun is supposed to have got wrong here.

The Sun spent decades paying teenaged girls to take their tops off. 
Their issue is probably that the presenter is alleged to have paid five figures rather than five tenners.

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4 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

She might be nuts. My parents separated in 1991, my Dad marryijg a Chilean woman. A few years l, later in my mid-teens, Ingot a letter from my dad asking if i wanted to move to Chile because ‘people’ (my aunt and my gran) had expressed (utterly baseless) concerns that I wasnt happy at home. Inwrote back saying I was fine.
When I was 18, I visited my Dad and his wife in Chile and learned that my gran and aunt had waged a campaign telling hin I was suicidal. The basis of this (so fsr as I can tell) was me phoning up my aunt years prior to ask if I’d left my toilet bag after ataying over for a few nights. Luckily my dad’s younger sister eventually told him i was fine and to ignore them.

My point is, family can make shit up in their heads. 

It’s possible, but pretty unlikely. I think you are letting your hatred of the Sun get in the way of logical thinking though.

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3 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

It’s possible, but pretty unlikely. I think you are letting your hatred of the Sun get in the way of logical thinking though.

I don’t particularly ‘hate’ the Scum, more contempt. This is a paper that is reviled in the north of England owing to its lies regarding the Hilsburgh disaster. That is a tool wielded by Murdoch to con the working classes into voting Tory.

 

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Just now, Derfel Cadarn said:

I don’t particularly ‘hate’ the Scum, more contempt. This is a paper that is reviled in the north of England owing to its lies regarding the Hilsburgh disaster. That is a tool wielded by Murdoch to con the working classes into voting Tory.

 

Sure, but that doesn’t mean this story is completely untrue because you don’t like them. 

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2 minutes ago, Heartofice said:

Sure, but that doesn’t mean this story is completely untrue because you don’t like them. 

No, it may well be true. But their track record does not encourage credulity. Especially with so many other stories Murdoch may want buried

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5 minutes ago, A wilding said:

It does seem that the mother and daughter are estranged. Which does cast a little doubt on the mother's motives.

What would the mothers motive actually be? The Sun aren’t going to give her money for a completely fictional story.  As shit as the Sun is, there is some level of due dillgence, plus the BBC won’t suspend someone if there was nothing there. Phillip Scholfields story has been known for years before it came out , and ITV had done nothing.

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Well we don't know do we? There is obviously something there, but exactly what remains to be seen, as does the mother's motives.

But the current BBC management would certainly suspend someone just on an allegation, especially when the government has been leaning on them about it and there is a tabloid outcry. They suspended Gary Linneker for example.

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Newsnight are reporting that The Sun made no attempt to contact the young person to validate the mother's claims.

p.s. Not sure why people are assuming it's a daughter. Could well be a son.

 

 

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If it looks like a Tory and talks like a Tory...

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Ed Miliband gave an animated Powerpoint presentation to the shadow cabinet on his revolutionary energy policies, speaking excitedly of the hope and change he believed they would bring.

His reception from Sir Keir Starmer, however, was decidedly lukewarm.

“[Starmer] thanked him for his presentation, but said he wasn’t interested in hope and change, he was more interested in creating sustainable new jobs to replace jobs in old sectors that were being lost,” said a source. “He then said he was not interested in tree-huggers, before adding to everyone’s surprise, ‘In fact, I hate tree-huggers’.”

 

The man is a menace.

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3 hours ago, Heartofice said:

It’s possible, but pretty unlikely. I think you are letting your hatred of the Sun get in the way of logical thinking though.

Logically everyone should hate every Murdoch entity. He's truly one of the worst people to have ever lived.

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7 hours ago, mormont said:

You literally quoted and responded to a post saying she was.

I had formed my opinion before reading that post. 

At The end of the day it doesn't really matter who is saying what, it should be fairly easy to establish if money was sent and for what material via a phone download. 

 

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https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66165766
 

A second person has come out and said this presenter was abusive to them online after they refused to meet up.

Honestly none of this seems illegal or even worth someone losing their job over. In this case it looks like this second person was threatening to out the presenter, which in of itself is a pretty low move.
 

Not sure anyone comes out looking good from this but if it is actually all just consensual adults then let them get on with it I reckon. 

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