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I'd be a lot more convinced of that explanation if we had seen even the most basic worry that ahsoka was going bad or that she was at all worried about it. Or that any of her choices had anything to do with that fear. I mean, baylan kinda said something about it during the duel and...that was supposed to matter?

It just felt not set up in any way. It felt like they wanted to do this sequence, tried to figure out a way that it made sense to get there, and then said fuck it and just didn't bother to do anything.

Hera's ass is smokin' though, so that's a nice plus

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Hayden Christensen's acting hurt my head. I miss the guy from the Clone Wars cartoon, because Hayden just can't emote very well.

I sort of wish the vision ended with Ahsoka getting knighted.

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If you run into the same police officer in a big city like New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago over and over again… that seems weird and unbelievable unless the officer is following you for some reason.

Galaxy’s are bigger that cities… by a lot… outer rims of galaxies are much bigger than galactic cores in terms of space covered.  How the hell is Captain Carson… everywhere?

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13 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Galaxy’s are bigger that cities… by a lot… outer rims of galaxies are much bigger than galactic cores in terms of space covered.  How the hell is Captain Carson… everywhere?

"He's one of them rangers. Dangerous folk they are — wandering the wilds Outer Rim" (I need to stop making LOTR puns)

I suppose Hera called him. As he is friends with Zeb, she might be aware that he's not the complacent NR officer that most others seem to be. 

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1 minute ago, Corvinus85 said:

"He's one of them rangers. Dangerous folk they are — wandering the wilds Outer Rim" (I need to stop making LOTR puns)

I suppose Hera called him. As he is friends with Zeb, she might be aware that he's not the complacent NR officer that most others seem to be. 

In a… Galaxy… he’s the only “non-complacent officer”?

Really?

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8 hours ago, Kalnak the Magnificent said:

I'd be a lot more convinced of that explanation if we had seen even the most basic worry that ahsoka was going bad or that she was at all worried about it. Or that any of her choices had anything to do with that fear. I mean, baylan kinda said something about it during the duel and...that was supposed to matter?

It just felt not set up in any way. It felt like they wanted to do this sequence, tried to figure out a way that it made sense to get there, and then said fuck it and just didn't bother to do anything.

Hera's ass is smokin' though, so that's a nice plus

Agreed 100% (all counts). I see what they were trying to do but it's unearned

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I liked the episode pretty well. It doesn't blow me away, the dialog isn't good enough, but it felt very solid and I kind of liked the Ghost of Christmas Past thing with Anakin. I didn't mind Christensen's performance at all, and he sells the lightsaber really well (though I'm sure they were using stunt doubles for the more vigorous stuff).

I feel like, yeah, the point of the lesson Ashoka receives is that she has defined her place as a Jedi as being a warrior, if not a soldier, and even in her samurai phase she's a ronin fighting the fight. And that's what she was teaching Sabine, who was already geared toward that kind of thinking because, I guess, she's a Mandalorian? But that's a dead end, or at least it's too limiting, and living as a Jedi is more than just an endless war. Anakin's cavalier attitude to the Clone Wars in that first segment, his dismissal of dwelling on the horror of it, made him a good soldier... but presumably his being inured to that kind of thing is part of what made him susceptible to the Dark Side.

At least, that's what I think it's trying to say. The Ashoka the White thing is hilariously on the nose, but OTOH I think it's obvious there's a change of perspective in her that the first major act she does is a peaceful communion and communication with the space whales which then pays dividends. She doesn't try and find someone to repair the map (what good would that do anyways, without some massive hyperspace engine rig?), haring off on some new side quest and no doubt new people to cut down, but instead embraces "life" (aka peace).

It's ham-fisted, but then it's Filoni, I guess, and this is basically a live-action cartoon. Whether this will run through the rest of the series or be forgotten as soon as there's a Skoll-Tano rematch in the offing, who knows.

(And yeah, jeez, General Syndulla makes a strong argument for high-waisted tailored pants.)

ETA: Also, forgot to say I thought the scoring was really good this episode. Not sure if it was referencing a lot of Clone Wars themes or not.

 

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25 minutes ago, Ran said:

I liked the episode pretty well. It doesn't blow me away, the dialog isn't good enough, but it felt very solid and I kind of liked the Ghost of Christmas Past thing with Anakin. I didn't mind Christensen's performance at all, and he sells the lightsaber really well (though I'm sure they were using stunt doubles for the more vigorous stuff).

I very much thought that the episode might go in a SW version of A Christmas Carol, but I'm glad it stopped short of it. They could have gone that way, since we also had Ahsoka v. Vader in Rebels.

27 minutes ago, Ran said:

I liked the episode pretty well. It doesn't blow me away, the dialog isn't good enough, but it felt very solid and I kind of liked the Ghost of Christmas Past thing with Anakin. I didn't mind Christensen's performance at all, and he sells the lightsaber really well (though I'm sure they were using stunt doubles for the more vigorous stuff).

I feel like, yeah, the point of the lesson Ashoka receives is that she has defined her place as a Jedi as being a warrior, if not a soldier, and even in her samurai phase she's a ronin fighting the fight. And that's what she was teaching Sabine, who was already geared toward that kind of thinking because, I guess, she's a Mandalorian? But that's a dead end, or at least it's too limiting, and living as a Jedi is more than just an endless war. Anakin's cavalier attitude to the Clone Wars in that first segment, his dismissal of dwelling on the horror of it, made him a good soldier... but presumably his being inured to that kind of thing is part of what made him susceptible to the Dark Side.

At least, that's what I think it's trying to say. The Ashoka the White thing is hilariously on the nose, but OTOH I think it's obvious there's a change of perspective in her that the first major act she does is a peaceful communion and communication with the space whales which then pays dividends. She doesn't try and find someone to repair the map (what good would that do anyways, without some massive hyperspace engine rig?), haring off on some new side quest and no doubt new people to cut down, but instead embraces "life" (aka peace).

Ahsoka even ponders her role and what she's learned at the end of The Clone Wars, when she has her conversation with Rex just before Order 66. So Filoni probably tried to continue that, implying that between then and now, which is a long time to be fair, Ahsoka continued to focus on just her role as a warrior, transitioned only in practice between army commander to rebel agent, and no longer seeing herself as a Jedi. With her being Sabine's mentor, she might want to be a Jedi again, but has never grasped how to be that.

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I thought that was very good. Some outstanding, epic imagery: the Clone Wars battles, the Ghost and the X-wings skimming along the water, the rescue, the New Republic cruisers amongst the whale pod. This is one of the rare nu-Star Wars episodes that feels like they actually spent the rumoured $15 million per episode.

I think I get what they are going for with the rest of the season and maybe into the follow-up movie:

  • Both Team Baylan and Team Ahsoka find Thrawn in the other galaxy.
  • Shenanigans ensure to stop Thrawn's return. During this, they find Ezra. Maybe he's a prisoner or maybe he's joined Team Thrawn or he's escaped and is MIA in the new galaxy. Ahsoka, Sabine and Ezra form a power trio to stop Thrawn.
  • The shenanigans fail. Thrawn returns to the Galaxy Far Far Away, probably at the end of Episode 8.
  • The movie or Season 2 (if there is going to be a Season 2 before the movie) is then Thrawn uniting the Imperial Remnants into a single fleet and fighting the Republic. A wild card is Moff Gideon's cloning plot, which culminates successfully in the creation of Snoke.
  • Huge war ensures. Thrawn is killed and both the Imperial and Republic fleets are decimated. The Imperials and Republic agree to a truce, with official recognition of the Imperial Remnant as the First Order, with Hux's dad and Pellaeon playing a key role. Pellaeon signs the peace treaty with the New Republic (I swear to god if they do this, we just need to lynch the person responsible for terminating the EU, this is just a mildly time-disjointed version of the EU at this point).
  • Wild card possibility: an alien threat in the next galaxy. Not the Yuuzhan Vong (way too NSFW for Disney-SW) but a force fulfilling a similar threat. They invade the Galaxy Far Far Away and the Republic and Imperials stop fighting to unify and defeat the invaders. Thrawn is killed in the process (maybe Ahsoka as well?) but the victory allows for a New Republic/First Order peace treaty. It might be this conflict is far smaller in scale than the Yuuzhan Vong War, perhaps more of a skirmish, to explain why nobody mentions it in the sequel trilogy.

Something someone on Reddit pointed out: the only shot from the trailers left is the one of Thrawn. Absolutely everything else was seen in Episodes 1-5, and we don't know anything from 6-8 at all apart from (SPOILERS) they find Thrawn.

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27 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

Anakin's lesson to Ahsoka also reminds me of a great Yoda quote: "Wars not make one great."

Which is especially ironic given that Yoda's only solution to Vader and the Emperor was to train Luke to kill them both. (And turned out to be emphatically the wrong choice)

Another issue with the Ahsoka professor student fantasy land she did was that Ahsoka already was being played as super serene and chill and above it all. And that's not just this show either - she was like this in her interactions with grogu and Luke and din djarin too. Is she now going to become comatose? Because that's the only serene level left.

Did appreciate seeing her actually banter with anakin. Wish we had more of that.

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