IlyaP Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 6 minutes ago, Ran said: Those beautiful sunsets don't stick around for very long, and are hard to predict. You can wait for days to get just the right light for what you want, and then you get like 30 minutes to shoot it. Part of the fun of filmmaking and photography! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 Just now, IlyaP said: Part of the fun of filmmaking and photography! George Lucas stopped having fun directing movies a long time ago. Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II and IlyaP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, Ran said: George Lucas stopped having fun directing movies a long time ago. ...yeah, okay, you win. All the bases are belong to you. At least we'll always have Matt Stover's magnificent novelisation Werthead and horangi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) I don't care how he shot it; the epilogue of RotS is beautiful. One of the parts of the prequel trilogy that's unambiguously perfect. Edited September 14 by Deadlines? What Deadlines? Ser Scot A Ellison, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II, IlyaP and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 The twin suns scene in A New Hope was captured on day 8 of filming, after several failed attempts because the weather wasn't cooperating (this and other issues led to increasing delays to the schedule to start with, leading Lucas to split the film crew in two to try and catch up). Then once they finally shot it, they double-printed it in post to add the second sun. Myrddin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 27 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said: I don't care how he shot it; the epilogue of RotS is beautiful. One of the parts of the prequel trilogy that's unambiguously perfect. Best final movie ending ever to the Skywalker Saga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Ran said: George Lucas stopped having fun directing movies a long time ago. I mean he was filthy rich and famous in the 90s as well so money couldn’t have been the sole reason for making the prequels, must’ve been some fun for direction in there as well. Edited September 14 by Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 7 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: I mean he was filthy rich and famous in the 90s as well so money couldn’t have been the sole reason for making the prequels, must’ve been some fun for direction in there as well. He tried to get multiple other people to direct it, they all turned him down, so he had no choice but to do it himself. If you watch the behind-the-scenes of his directing, he's not exactly looking like he's having the time of his life much of the time. He liked the conceptualizing and the post-production part a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, Ran said: He tried to get multiple other people to direct it, they all turned him down, so he had no choice but to do it himself. If you watch the behind-the-scenes of his directing, he's not exactly looking like he's having the time of his life much of the time. He liked the conceptualizing and the post-production part a lot more. Is it true that he asked David Fincher to direct episode 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) His company wasn’t part of any the guilds also so that created hiring issues…cause the DGA won’t let him put the credits of his own company at the start of the movie so he quit it. Now they’re all good with it ofc since Disney owns the market. Edited September 14 by Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, Ran said: He tried to get multiple other people to direct it, they all turned him down, so he had no choice but to do it himself. If you watch the behind-the-scenes of his directing, he's not exactly looking like he's having the time of his life much of the time. He liked the conceptualizing and the post-production part a lot more. Never understood this, why would any director turn down the opportunity to direct such an iconic series ? They all seem to be jumping at the chance now that Disney is in charge ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 59 minutes ago, IlyaP said: Is it true that he asked David Fincher to direct episode 3? It was a rumor, but the only three that I think we know of for sure are that he asked Ron Howard, Robert Zemeckis, and Steven Spielberg. Directing A New Hope was a miserable experience for Lucas, which is why he only directed that one of the original trilogy, and why he only directed the prequels under duress. (Fincher did meet with Disney about directing on the sequel films, and said he'd have wanted to do something in the vein of TESB but suspected from talks that they wanted something more like the prequels with lots of toys creatures. As we know, things ended up changing up, for better and for worse, by the time Johnson directed.) 55 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: Never understood this, why would any director turn down the opportunity to direct such an iconic series ? They all seem to be jumping at the chance now that Disney is in charge ! They all told him he should do it himself. I suspect they did that after looking at the first script. Edited September 14 by Ran Relic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: Never understood this, why would any director turn down the opportunity to direct such an iconic series ? They all seem to be jumping at the chance now that Disney is in charge ! Film directors, especially of that calibre, want at least some freedom and control, and some input to the script. Lucas probably didn't want anyone messing around with his words, which is odd given he's acknowledged the script doctoring on A New Hope (and his wife's editing skills) saved that movie, and if he didn't acknowledge Kasdan's scripting on ESB and RotJ, that would have been insane (although he's always seemed to low-key dislike ESB). Spielberg not doing it I can understand, but it is more surprising that Howard, who swings from inspired to workmanlike-but-competent, didn't consider it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 24 minutes ago, Werthead said: Film directors, especially of that calibre, want at least some freedom and control, and some input to the script. Lucas probably didn't want anyone messing around with his words, which is odd given he's acknowledged the script doctoring on A New Hope (and his wife's editing skills) saved that movie, and if he didn't acknowledge Kasdan's scripting on ESB and RotJ, that would have been insane (although he's always seemed to low-key dislike ESB). Spielberg not doing it I can understand, but it is more surprising that Howard, who swings from inspired to workmanlike-but-competent, didn't consider it. But he gave Kershner and Marquand complete freedom in directing so I’m sure he would’ve offered the same to the prequel directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 28 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: But he gave Kershner and Marquand complete freedom in directing so I’m sure he would’ve offered the same to the prequel directors. The books I've read on RotJ (my favorite in the series) suggests Marquand did not have the freedom we might think he did. What's in this article is pretty much a rehash of what I've read in various books that covered the development process of the original trilogy. @Ran seems to have a better level of knowledge about this, so I'm happy to be corrected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 39 minutes ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: But he gave Kershner and Marquand complete freedom in directing so I’m sure he would’ve offered the same to the prequel directors. He gave Kershner freedom from necessity, as he spent a lot of time in board rooms at Fox negotiating over the budget so wasn't available to oversee things (he did manage to show up to oversee the Yoda sequences, and one or two other bits). Although Empire is often heralded as the best Star Wars film, Lucas has always been a bit down on it, and apparently believed he could have done better (hint: he couldn't). With Jedi, Marquand was much more directing according to Lucas's whims and specifications, and Lucas directed some sequences of the film himself. He was on set and on location much more than on ESB, and as a result both actors and crew sometimes deferred to Lucas as if he was the director, asking him questions etc, sometimes whilst Marquand was right there (Marquand seemed to have mixed feelings over this, since he was very well paid but he was also not really fully 100% directing himself). What is interesting is that Kershner was offered Jedi but turned it down, he says because ESB as all-consuming and he didn't want to spend two years on a single movie again so soon. But I do wonder if it's because he knew Lucas would be much more omnipresent than he was on Empire. The hairy bear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 4 minutes ago, Werthead said: What is interesting is that Kershner was offered Jedi but turned it down, he says because ESB as all-consuming and he didn't want to spend two years on a single movie again so soon. But I do wonder if it's because he knew Lucas would be much more omnipresent than he was on Empire. If someone wanted to micromanage your efforts at work, how would you feel? No doubt Kershner knew he'd be getting micromanaged and opted out. Shame no one warned Marquand. Didn't he only get hired after David Lynch turned the gig down as well? Or is that just fan speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) Kershner was interested in directing one of the prequel movies had they been made sooner(before he got too old) , so I don’t think he was averse to working with Lucas again, he had a great experience on ESB, as per his interviews, called Lucas an amazing producer who never interfered on sets and didn’t have any disagreement with him except for the Han I Know scene. Probably was just too burned out to direct ROTJ immediately. Steven Spielberg would’ve been perfect for Star Wars and ROTJ in particular but unfortunately the DGA issues with Lucas prevented him from taking it up and so Lucas offered the movie to non-DGA directors like David Lynch , David Cronenberg and finally Marquand. Ironic that a union made to purportedly protect directors interests ends up fucking with one of their own. Edited September 14 by Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 38 minutes ago, IlyaP said: If someone wanted to micromanage your efforts at work, how would you feel? No doubt Kershner knew he'd be getting micromanaged and opted out. Shame no one warned Marquand. Didn't he only get hired after David Lynch turned the gig down as well? Or is that just fan speculation? Kershner was a pretty respected and experienced director. Marquand was very low-key in comparison, he was probably happier to get the gig, get paid, get experience working in Hollywood with vfx and have it on his CV. He was reportedly disengaged from the process on set as well (telling the actors from the previous movies, "just do that again,"), presumably as Lucas could answer those kind of queries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 6 hours ago, Ser Rodrigo Belmonte II said: But he gave Kershner and Marquand complete freedom in directing so I’m sure he would’ve offered the same to the prequel directors. Very different time and level of Lucas' success as well as what folks said above. Lucas in the 90s was the head of a ridiculous empire of VFX, video games, and one of the most popular properties in the world and had been there for 15 years. For Lucas I'm pretty sure that this was much more about being able to finally complete his vision of what he wanted all along, and this time he didn't have to compromise on things like FX or actors or plot or money. Lucas, famously, doesn't play super well with others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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