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36 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Witness the attack on the Capitol.

Over and over we see Them taking over with the incompetence, etc.  The stupidity etc. are part of Their strategic arsenal.  It has been such a frustration for me, at least, since at least Reagan, that 'Our' only idea of either defense or attack is to jeer about how stupid 'They' are. While They continue going from one victory to another on Their agenda.

'We' have to get over this.

Though I’m not above such mockery when feeling base, I understand this frustration. Thing is, a significant portion of this type can’t be shown either. Try to help them, the cry becomes moar taxes [!] eveel socialism [!] et so on. 

But you do it anyway because the battle you think you can win is in the middle, but then your gambling instead fighting really. It’s quite the conundrum. It’s quite the conundrum.

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Blame the US supreme court for the Bob Menendez scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/25/menendez-scandal-supreme-court-corruption

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The problem is that supreme court justices have for years been legalizing – and personally engaging in – similar kinds of corruption. At the same time, top Democrats are constantly assuring justices that no matter how repugnant their behavior, there will be no serious challenge to their power.


Considering that, the high court may feel emboldened to use the Menendez case not to counter Americans’ perception that the government is hopelessly rotted through with corruption, but to instead make the rot even worse.

Justices could use the case to further whittle down the definitions of terms such as “bribery” and “official act” to almost nothing – thereby making corruption not a crime, but the legal, court-approved ethos of American governance.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

The problem is that supreme court justices have for years been legalizing – and personally engaging in – similar kinds of corruption. At the same time, top Democrats are constantly assuring justices that no matter how repugnant their behavior, there will be no serious challenge to their power.

Cannot disagree with this on any point.

BTW -- in violation to the communications rules, there is at least one Spanish language music station in New Jersey that is broadcasting straight up out from the owners, defenses of Menendez, and blaming Dem racism against latinos and urging them to be republicans.  Partner recorded some of these and mailed them to Schumer and Gillibrand, not that they will listen to them.  Not that they speak any Spanish either.

But AOC does . . . . and she's among those stating Menendez must resign.

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I heard a piece on CNN where Menendez says he can explain all that cash lying around - for years he’s regularly taken a few thousand out of his bank account and has been squirreling the bucks away at home, because of his fear the government will confiscate money, just like they did in Cuba.

Right.

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49 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

I heard a piece on CNN where Menendez says he can explain all that cash lying around - for years he’s regularly taken a few thousand out of his bank account and has been squirreling the bucks away at home, because of his fear the government will confiscate money, just like they did in Cuba.

Right.

Again, he's flailing. My first question would be why he doesn't have a transportable safe ( or safes) if he's so worried. It always amuses me when people clearly get caught doing some criminal shit who are both bad at it and have no idea how to talk their way out of it. 

He didn't even think to wash the assets. Crime 101 buddy. It's hilarious that the feds have the fingerprints on some of this shit. How lazy/arrogant can you be? 

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Supreme Court rejects Alabama’s attempt to avoid creating a second Black majority congressional district

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/supreme-court-alabama-redistricting/index.html

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The Supreme Court on Tuesday rejected an emergency bid from Alabama, setting the stage for a new congressional map likely to include a second Black majority district to account for the state’s 27% Black population.

The one-line order reflects that the feelings on the court haven’t changed since June when a 5-4 Supreme Court affirmed a lower court that had ordered the state to redraw its seven-seat congressional map to include a second majority-Black district or “something quite close to it.”

 

 

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Just now, Martell Spy said:

Supreme Court rejects Alabama’s attempt to avoid creating a second Black majority congressional district

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/supreme-court-alabama-redistricting/index.html

 

It was always ridiculous and brazen for AL to just ignore the Supreme Court and then reappeal with basically the same case just a couple of months later.  Any result other than this would have been a huge shock.

Good news that black voters will be better represented in Alabama. 

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12 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

ust like they did in Cuba.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  His dad moved to the USA in 1953.  Even the NY Post is laffing its head off at him at this claim.

He's made a lot of enemies among his fellow NJ pols.

"...it’s hard even for an incumbent to win a primary in New Jersey without the support of the Democratic county chairs. 10 of the 21 of them have already called on him to resign. And that’s just the start of it."

Menendez is Defiant. It Probably Won’t Matter

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/menendez-is-defiant-it-probably-wont-matter

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If you watch politics long enough you realize that the secret to not being forced to resign is simple: just don’t resign. Obvious? Sure, in a way. But for countless politicians it remains oddly elusive. It’s a sort of Zen Koan of political scandals only revealed in its fullness to those who have spent years, decades meditating on the carnival of political scandals.

I often regret when good politicians fail to grasp this. We now see a bad one – Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey – trying to make a go of it. As our proverb makes clear, if Menendez absolutely refuses to resign there’s literally no way to force him. But that may not be as big a deal as it seems. Forcing him to resign may not be necessary.

The simplest alternative is for another candidate to defeat him in a primary. It may not be as hard as it sounds.

Normally a primary would be a tall order. But I’m not sure that’s the case here. At the federal level, the Menendez dam is mostly holding. Sens. Fetterman and Brown have called on him to resign. But that’s it. Meanwhile, Majority Leader Schumer has essentially said it’s Menendez’s call. Not bad when your new middle name is “Gold Bars”.

But it’s a very, very different story where it probably counts most: in New Jersey. As Abby Livingston notes at Puck it’s hard even for an incumbent to win a primary in New Jersey without the support of the Democratic county chairs. 10 of the 21 of them have already called on him to resign. And that’s just the start of it. David Wildstein’s New Jersey Globe is keeping a tally of which in-state politicians have called on Menendez to step down and it’s pretty shocking. (And yes, Wildstein’s the guy who was earlier at the center of the BridgeGate scandal.)

Let’s look at the list: Governor, Senate President, Assembly Speaker, State Dem Chair, aforesaid buttload of county chairs. Six of New Jersey’s 9 members of Congress have already called on Menendez to resign. Of the three who haven’t, one is his son, Rep. Rob Menendez. He hasn’t called on his dad to resign yet. But who knows?

(This list is so long it occurred to me that Senate colleagues may feel like they can take a pass on the awkward call for Menendez to resign because they think New Jersey pols will deal with him.)

Two things jump out about this list.

The first is that absolutely no one is scared of this guy. If he still inspires fear, dislike of the guy must have overwhelmed it. It’s hard to overstate the total and catastrophic loss of confidence and support this list represents. New Jersey has a pretty high tolerance for crooked pols. Local politicians get thrown in jail all the time. Indeed, in New Jersey you can be crooked and completely known to be crooked – Sharpe James comes to mind – and yet still very popular. No one seems to be afraid of Menendez – almost certainly because they see him as a political dead man walking. The length of the list calling on him to resign suggests no one likes him much either.

Every politician who calls on Menendez to resign has to be predicting that Menendez is toast. By calling on him to resign they become committed to that outcome. By refusing to leave after basically everyone in the state told him to he becomes an annoyance or worse. Where I’m going with this is that it’s pretty hard to win a high profile primary in New Jersey, even as an incumbent, if the whole state political apparatus is against you. And that’s where Menendez is at. The focus of a challenger’s campaign speaks for itself: Menendez is a crook. We can do better. He’s even too shady for our sleazy state political machine.

If New Jersey Democrats consolidate around a primary challenger Menendez will simply become a de facto lame duck and what he decides or doesn’t won’t matter.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Maithanet said:

It was always ridiculous and brazen for AL to just ignore the Supreme Court and then reappeal with basically the same case just a couple of months later.  Any result other than this would have been a huge shock.

Good news that black voters will be better represented in Alabama. 

All the gerrymandering because quite a long time ago the rethugs on their path to fascism realized that They were unpopular and lost fair elections when everyone got a vote that would actually count.  So the solution was to make votes cast by the majority of voters, i.e. Dems, Black people, etc. not count. *

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-25-2023?

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... how the Republican Party prepared the way for this moment in part by rigging the system through gerrymandering so that their politicians no longer need to appeal to voters. Those extreme gerrymanders threaten to skew the 2024 election and are contributing to the Republican Party’s inability to perform the most basic functions of government.

Gerrymandering is the process of drawing legislative districts to favor a political party. The practice was named for Elbridge Gerry, an early governor of Massachusetts who signed off on such a scheme (even though he didn’t like it). Political parties can gain an advantage in elections by either “packing” or “cracking” their opponents’ voters. Packing means stuffing the opposition party’s voters into districts so their votes are not distributed more widely; cracking means dividing opponents’ voters among multiple districts so there are too few of them in any district to have a chance of winning.  ....

.... That created a big change in 2010. Before that midterm election, hoping to hamstring President Barack Obama’s ability to accomplish anything by making sure he had a hostile Congress, Republican operatives raised money from corporate donors to swamp state elections with ads and campaign literature to elect Republicans to state legislatures. This Operation REDMAP, which stood for Redistricting Majority Project, was a plan to take control of state houses across the country so that Republicans would control the redistricting maps put in place after the 2010 census. 

It worked. After the 2010 election, Republicans controlled the legislatures in the key states of Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Ohio, and Michigan, as well as other, smaller states, and they redrew congressional maps using precise computer models. In the 2012 election, Democrats won the White House decisively, the Senate easily, and a majority of 1.4 million votes for House candidates. And yet Republicans came away with a thirty-three-seat majority in the House of Representatives.

The results of that effort are playing out today. ....

 

* But there remains that pesky problem of how to keep the wimmenz from voting now, too, since these vaginas have gotten so uppity about reproductive health, angry and rejecting of being denied it because they are wimmenz, and for some reason all the menz who are fascists want wimmenz living in their houses also.

 

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And one more thing:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/a-worsening-trump-increases-the-risk-of-political-violence

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‘Strive To Resist Numbness’

In the same way that the United States is not immune from the ravages of political violence, it has no special ability to put the toothpaste of political violence back in the tube once it’s unleashed.

Make no mistake: It has been unleashed.

“Trump’s real, enduring legacy is his successful introduction of violence, the threat of violence, and targeted harassment into the dynamics of our political system, as if they were all just a natural extension of democratic disagreement,” Juliette Kayyem rightly observed in The Atlantic this summer.

The past few days have reinforced how unhinged Trump has continued to become and how political violence is the core of his message and for many his central appeal. Since Friday, Trump has:

  • Suggested the country’s top general should be executed for treason;
  • Threatened retaliation against one of the country’s largest media companies for “Country Threatening Treason“;
  • Urged Republicans in Congress to shut down the government, as “the last chance to defund these political prosecutions against me and other Patriots,” and later ominously said: “It’s time Republicans learned how to fight!” against “the Radical Left Marxists, Fascists and Thugs – THE DEMOCRATS.”

The Trump of today is not the same as the Trump of 2019 or even the Trump of Jan. 6. He is cornered, under indictment, facing the deprivation of his liberty if convicted – and winning the presidency is his only way out. He will stop at nothing, do anything, and tear down everything to protect himself.

I don’t usually find myself pointing you to Nick Catoggio, but he had a thoughtful post on these developments:

Strive to resist numbness. Because despite all the blather about Biden and Trump being the two most known “known quantities” in politics, we actually don’t know how dangerous and destabilizing Trump might prove to be as his mind bends under the strain of an election and four indictments. Or whether it’ll break entirely once he’s back in power and surrounded by the most obsequious fascist toadies he can find.

 

 
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14 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Again, he's flailing. My first question would be why he doesn't have a transportable safe ( or safes) if he's so worried. It always amuses me when people clearly get caught doing some criminal shit who are both bad at it and have no idea how to talk their way out of it. 

He didn't even think to wash the assets. Crime 101 buddy. It's hilarious that the feds have the fingerprints on some of this shit. How lazy/arrogant can you be? 

"I swear I was flushing all of this cocaine down the toilet because the sewer gators said they were having a party this weekend!"

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4 hours ago, Maithanet said:

It was always ridiculous and brazen for AL to just ignore the Supreme Court and then reappeal with basically the same case just a couple of months later.  Any result other than this would have been a huge shock.

Good news that black voters will be better represented in Alabama. 

What happens if Alabama flatly refuses to abide by the Supreme Court ruling?

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6 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

What happens if Alabama flatly refuses to abide by the Supreme Court ruling?

Probably nothing. I want to see what happens if states just ignore them. The SC is a relic. CA and NY should just enact major gun bans and do as they please. 

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56 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

What happens if Alabama flatly refuses to abide by the Supreme Court ruling?

I think they will. To me, this was more that the Republicans in the state legislature didn't want to be the ones actually creating the district and then all get primaried as "RINOs" by people who don't understand that they literally did not have a choice. But I don't think they're at the point yet where they will refuse to passively comply with a court-created map.

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9 minutes ago, Fez said:

I think they will. To me, this was more that the Republicans in the state legislature didn't want to be the ones actually creating the district and then all get primaried as "RINOs" by people who don't understand that they literally did not have a choice. But I don't think they're at the point yet where they will refuse to passively comply with a court-created map.

Agreed.  I would even go so far as to say that if there were a case where a state wants to have a showdown with the Supreme Court, it probably isn't this one.  You'd need something that is both more popular locally and easier to understand.  Something like gun control in CA or anti-immigrant legislation in FL or TX. 

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