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As the French Revolution and Napoleon's years, and the entire era of Revolution that culminates in empire, is of great necessity in my studies, I won't be wasting my time with this travesty.  Action scenes -- which also aren't historical -- ain't enuff. Ha!  Now, however, if there had been an honest, informed attempt to depict Napoleon's failures with the revolution in San Domingue, and his determination to re-instate slavery, and then in a temper tantrum worthy of musk dump the North American territory on the infant USA, in order to take the money and run to Russia, it might have been different.

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11 hours ago, Zorral said:

As the French Revolution and Napoleon's years, and the entire era of Revolution that culminates in empire, is of great necessity in my studies, I won't be wasting my time with this travesty.  Action scenes -- which also aren't historical -- ain't enuff. Ha!  Now, however, if there had been an honest, informed attempt to depict Napoleon's failures with the revolution in San Domingue, and his determination to re-instate slavery, and then in a temper tantrum worthy of musk dump the North American territory on the infant USA, in order to take the money and run to Russia, it might have been different.

Yeah.  But nobody would have went to watch it. 

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9 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

Yeah.  But nobody would have went to watch it. 

Why do you think nobody would want to watch the atrocities and debacles of a 5, 6 and even 7 sometimes sided war in San Domingue, in which the French were the Great Big Losers to bring slavery back to what then, became Haiti? 

We can understand why YOU wouldn't want to watch that, but are you sure NOBODY would want to watch that?

Also some films in which the Brits get so soundly trounced at New Orleans have been quite popular before, as well as films in which Napoleon's armies are the Great Big Losers in his Russian war.   War and Peace adaptations have always been quite popular ... particularly in Russia.  

Great epics of the Bolivarian Revolution are very popular in South America too. There's a really good one on Netflix:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolívar_(TV_series)

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20 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Why do you think nobody would want to watch the atrocities and debacles of a 5, 6 and even 7 sometimes sided war in San Domingue, in which the French were the Great Big Losers to bring slavery back to what then, became Haiti? 

We can understand why YOU wouldn't want to watch that, but are you sure NOBODY would want to watch that?

Also some films in which the Brits get so soundly trounced at New Orleans have been quite popular before, as well as films in which Napoleon's armies are the Great Big Losers in his Russian war.   War and Peace adaptations have always been quite popular ... particularly in Russia.  

Great epics of the Bolivarian Revolution are very popular in South America too. There's a really good one on Netflix:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolívar_(TV_series)

:thumbsup:

 

 

I hope you're not trying to be willfully ignorant about how the box office works.

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This one got very good reception:

https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/95158/waterloo/#synopsis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_(1970_film)

4 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

I understand why YOU would want to watch it, but are you sure that ANYBODY else would want to watch it? 

Lots of people thought nobody would watch a film made about a doll, including right here on this board. So,  :dunno:

There is terrific cinematic material, not to mention characters, to work with in the era's war theater of the Caribbean.  But you're probably right that that white people don't want to see anything with Black people throwing off their shackles of slavery and slaughtering white people. That's life, right?

ETA: OOOO snap, just saw this: "Le Figaro said that the movie should be renamed "Barbie and Ken Under the Empire" " :D

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35 minutes ago, Zorral said:

This one got very good reception:

https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/95158/waterloo/#synopsis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_(1970_film)

Lots of people thought nobody would watch a film made about a doll, including right here on this board. So,  :dunno:

There is terrific cinematic material, not to mention characters, to work with in the era's war theater of the Caribbean.  But you're probably right that that white people don't want to see anything with Black people throwing off their shackles of slavery and slaughtering white people. That's life, right?

ETA: OOOO snap, just saw this: "Le Figaro said that the movie should be renamed "Barbie and Ken Under the Empire" " :D

I'd watch the shit out of a movie about the Maroons and Queen Nanny, for example. 

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37 minutes ago, Zorral said:

This one got very good reception:

https://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title/95158/waterloo/#synopsis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterloo_(1970_film)

Lots of people thought nobody would watch a film made about a doll, including right here on this board. So,  :dunno:

There is terrific cinematic material, not to mention characters, to work with in the era's war theater of the Caribbean.  But you're probably right that that white people don't want to see anything with Black people throwing off their shackles of slavery and slaughtering white people. That's life, right?

ETA: OOOO snap, just saw this: "Le Figaro said that the movie should be renamed "Barbie and Ken Under the Empire" " :D

From that wiki article:

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It was the fifth most popular "reserve ticket" movie at the British box office in 1971.[16] However, it failed to recoup its cost. Post release saw the film gain popularity and receive numerous positive reviews for its battle depiction. Several historical characters listed in the credits do not actually appear in the film, they are said to have been in scenes cut before release.[17]

The film won two BAFTA awards in 1971 (Best art direction and best costume design) and was nominated for a third (best cinematography). The film was also novelised by Frederick E. Smith, with the content based on the screenplay.

The meagre box office results of Waterloo led to the cancellation of Stanley Kubrick's planned film biography of Napoleon.

That phrase "very good reception", I don't think it means what you think it means. 

Big historical epics have always been a bit niche. They might gain some critical acclaim but few have been box office blockbusters. Long, historically detailed movies like Gettysburg or Gods & Generals are not popular outside the Civil War aficionados (lovers of the South for the latter) 

Master & Commander is another well done, great historical fiction movie, which failed at the box office despite the lead's star power.

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