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Thomas Friedman
I’ve been concerned from the start that Israel launched its invasion of Gaza to eradicate Hamas with no plan for what to do with the territory and its people in the wake of any victory. Having just spent a week in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates taking the pulse of this important corner of the Arab world, I am now even more worried.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/opinion/israel-gaza-saudi-arabia.html

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.... A recent essay on this subject in Haaretz by David Rosenberg noted that “even if the fighting ends in a decisive victory over Hamas, Israel will be saddled with a problem that almost defies solution. Most of the public discussion about what happens the day after the war has focused on who will govern Gaza. That alone is a knotty question, but the problem goes much deeper than who will be responsible for law and order and providing basic services: Whoever is in charge will have to rebuild the wreckage that is Gaza and create a functioning economy.”

That will be a multibillion-dollar, multiyear endeavor. And I can tell you based on my conversations here, no Gulf Arab states (not to mention European Union states or the U.S. Congress) are going to come into Gaza with bags of money to rebuild it unless — and even this is not a sure thing — Israel has a legitimate, effective Palestinian partner and commits to one day negotiating a two-state solution. Any Israeli official who says otherwise is delusional. “We need to see a viable two-state solution plan, a road map that is serious before we talk about the next day and rebuilding the infrastructure of Gaza,” Lana Nusseibeh, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to the United Nations, said in an interview Tuesday with The Wall Street Journal. ....

.... But if Israel does not come up with a long-term political vision to entice the world to help it fund the rebuilding of Gaza, it is going to be in for a lot of diplomatic and economic hurt. Gaza could end up a giant, sucking chest wound that overstretches Israel militarily, economically and morally — and takes its U.S. superpower patron along for the ride.

Yes, along for the ride …. Bibi Netanyahu is campaigning right now to keep his job by trying to prove to his far-right base that he is the only leader ready to tell the Biden administration to its face that his country will never do the minimum that the U.S. is asking: for Israel to help nurture a revamped Palestinian Authority, and to offer some long-term political horizon for Palestinian statehood in order to develop a Palestinian partner that can one day govern a Gaza liberated from Hamas and Israel. ....

 

 

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4 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

here's some of what I was talking about.

O ya!  I am finding keeping all these fascists in mind because They essentially are alike in their determination to destroy everything, They all do and say and act the same.  So I don't pay that much attention to Them, beyond monitoring the general behaviors toward Their objectives to destroy everything that makes life worth living.

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56 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Thomas Friedman
I’ve been concerned from the start that Israel launched its invasion of Gaza to eradicate Hamas with no plan for what to do with the territory and its people in the wake of any victory. Having just spent a week in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates taking the pulse of this important corner of the Arab world, I am now even more worried.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/12/opinion/israel-gaza-saudi-arabia.html

 

Netanyahu has been against a two state solution for his whole life, so it's definitely not happening while he's still in charge.  How long he can hold on is the question now.  People claim he's super unpopular, but nevertheless, he's still there.

And then, when he eventually leaves power, who takes his place?  There is no guarantee that his replacement is any better.  The far right groups that make up his coalition seem to be growing in power.  The Oct. 7th massacre has unfortunately only helped their agenda.

I've come to terms that we are witnessing a disaster unfolding in Gaza.  

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On 12/10/2023 at 10:36 AM, Altherion said:

You are speaking as though the population of Gaza was kindly disposed towards Israel before and attacking it is changing peoples' minds. This is very obviously not the case -- if anything, the harsher the attacks, the more the people who might be radicals will think next time before doing something.

Shockingly this turns out to be wrong! Who would have thought that major bombing, destruction of homes and killing thousands of civilians would cause people to support the people who say they're fighting against that.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514

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Shikaki said that Gaza residents are more critical of Hamas than those in the West Bank, that support for Hamas typically spikes during periods of armed conflict before leveling out, and that even now most Palestinians do not back the militant group.

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.

 

It also shows that the support for the current president of the PA is hugely negative with 90% saying they think he should go. 

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