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Israel says a buffer zone in Gaza would protect its people; critics say it could be a war crime.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/24/world/israel-hamas-gaza-news/israel-says-a-buffer-zone-would-protect-its-people-critics-say-the-policy-could-be-a-war-crime?smid=url-share

An attack caused fire and ‘mass casualties’ at a shelter for displaced people, the United Nations says.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/01/24/world/israel-hamas-gaza-news/an-attack-caused-fire-and-mass-casualties-at-a-shelter-for-displaced-people-the-united-nations-says?smid=url-share

Israel orders evacuations from a packed area with 2 major Gazan hospitals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/world/middleeast/israel-orders-evacuations-from-a-packed-area-with-2-major-gazan-hospitals.html?smid=url-share

Israel turns to Indian workers as Gaza war worsens labor shortage

https://wapo.st/3UdauPk

 

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Cool, Netanyahu decided to start a fight with Qatar. Article is Qatar response that Netanyahu playing politics. Not showing is Smoertich response calling Qatar a "Terrorist State". Yes, lives of hostage are so important to them.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/qatar-fumes-at-netanyahus-criticism-says-he-undermines-talks-for-political-reasons/

 

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It's undisputed that Qatar provided major funding to Hamas in Gaza, and Hamas is a terrorist group. Someone who is chummy with Hamas acting as the lead mediator is not ideal, just as someone chummy with Israel as prime mediator would no doubt get Hamas complaining. A neutral third party would probably draw the least comment from both sides, but I don't see Switzerland or Norway offering to mediate.

 

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12 minutes ago, Ran said:

A neutral third party would probably draw the least comment from both sides, but I don't see Switzerland or Norway offering to mediate.

Norway was one of the most critical voices of Israel in Europe, so I think Netanyahu would rule it out. Switzerland seems to (foolishly imho) try to corner the Ukraine negotiations angle and either doesn't try to deal with both crises or does it under the radar. Israel should ask Putin - after all, Bennett did mediate between Ukraine and Russia back in the first couple of months of the invasion of Ukraine. Sure, that's semi-tongue-in-cheek, but not entirely: Kremlin's criticism of Israeli actions has been very mild until now, even more if you consider it's supposed to be quite close to an ally of Iran.

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11 minutes ago, Ran said:

It's undisputed that Qatar provided major funding to Hamas in Gaza, and Hamas is a terrorist group. Someone who is chummy with Hamas acting as the lead mediator is not ideal, just as someone chummy with Israel as prime mediator would no doubt get Hamas complaining. A neutral third party would probably draw the least comment from both sides, but I don't see Switzerland or Norway offering to mediate.

 

Hostage lives are important you do not start up with the main mediator of negotiation which has been most effective the most hostages back alive.

Though if do not think the hostages lives are important than go ahead.

If all that is keeping Bibi around is this conflict than does he really have a interest in getting it resolve?

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A shelter in Khan Younis was hit by...something, causing 9 deaths and 75 injuries so far:

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-b-01-24-24/h_10cbef526b4913345486233cefcd52fb

Israel has said that it is not the result of their aerial or artillery bombardment. Witnesses indicate that it was because of Israeli tanks. Nothing particularly definitive so far though, and I'd caution folks to check and recheck news and reporting about it. 

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Israel needs to let journalists freely report the news in Gaza

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/25/israel-gaza-news-reporters-access/

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.... The response to our report on Gaza in Israeli media suggests an unspoken reason for denying access. When asked on air about our piece, one reporter from the Israeli Channel 13 replied, “If indeed Western reporters begin to enter Gaza, this will for sure be a big headache for Israel and Israeli hasbara.” Hasbara is a Hebrew word for pro-Israel advocacy.

It’s not that the world can’t see what’s happening in Gaza. Our airwaves and social media feeds have been inundated with harrowing images and videos captured by the courageous journalists living there. They have risked everything to document the situation on the ground and have paid a high price for doing so. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, at least 76 Palestinian journalists and media workers have been killed in Gaza so far — more than the number killed in the entire Second World War. ....

 

That buffer zone, which the US does not approve, nor does the UN, and which could be a war crime ....

What to know about Israel’s controversial ‘buffer zone’ in Gaza

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/01/24/israel-buffer-zone-gaza-war/

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.... The military has declined to give further details on the buffer zone, including the depth of the area it plans to clear. “This is part of the imperative actions that are needed in order to implement a defense plan that will provide improved security in Southern Israel,” the IDF said in a statement Wednesday.

Conricus said his understanding is that the zone will extend just over half a mile from the border — more than double the size of the prewar buffer area. “In some areas it might be wider, in some areas it might be a little less,” he said.

A total of 2,850 buildings once stood in the planned buffer zone, according to Israel’s Channel 12, and the IDF has already destroyed roughly 1,100 buildings. The IDF declined to comment. ....

 

 

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26 minutes ago, kissdbyfire said:

Why don’t they create a buffer zone on their side of the border?

Because that side of the border isn't a bombed wasteland. 

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That’s pretty convenient. Bomb and destroy everything in sight, push people away b/c it’s all ruins and no one can live there anyway, and grab land that isn’t yours to create a buffer zone that no one wants but you. 
I can even imagine that at some point this buffer zone will need to be expanded, then a bit more, until Israel finally has the beachside condos they were advertising a while back. 

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Shelling strikes crowd waiting for aid in Gaza, killing at least 20, Hamas-run health ministry says

From CNN's Abeer Salman

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At least 20 people have been killed and as many as 150 injured — including dozens critically — when an Israeli military strike struck "thousands of people desperate to get humanitarian aid at the Kuwait roundabout in Gaza City," the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza said. 

Journalists at the scene said people were waiting for aid coming from the south along the Salah al-Din road, and local reports speak of multiple casualties amid shelling and gunfire.

Ministry spokesperson Ashraf al-Qidra said that the number of dead was “likely to increase as a result of the dozens of serious injuries that arrived at the Shifa Medical Complex, which lacks medical capabilities."

The journalists said that multiple casualties had been taken to Al Shifa and Al Ahli hospitals.

CNN has asked the Israel Defense Forces for comment on any military operations in the vicinity of Kuwait Junction. 

On Wednesday, video from the same location showed hundreds of people running in panic, some carrying boxes of aid, as gunfire reverberated in the background.

And that’s from CNN, with their former IDF spokesperson on the payroll.

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17 hours ago, Ran said:

It's undisputed that Qatar provided major funding to Hamas in Gaza, and Hamas is a terrorist group. Someone who is chummy with Hamas acting as the lead mediator is not ideal, just as someone chummy with Israel as prime mediator would no doubt get Hamas complaining. A neutral third party would probably draw the least comment from both sides, but I don't see Switzerland or Norway offering to mediate.

 

It's also undisputed that Qatar provided this funding with Israeli support, and specifically with Netanyahu's support.  It's hypocritical of Netanyahu to criticize Qatar providing Hamas with money when he himself was in favor of and approved the deal to do so.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

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Since the October 7 Hamas attack on Israel, the Gulf state of Qatar has come under fire by Israeli officials, American politicians and media outlets for sending hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Gaza, which is governed by the Palestinian militant group.

But all that happened with Israel’s blessing.

In a series of interviews with key Israeli players conducted in collaboration with Israeli investigative journalism organization Shomrim, CNN was told Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu continued the cash flow to Hamas, despite concerns raised from within his own government.

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In 2018, Qatar began making monthly payments to the Gaza Strip. Some $15 million were sent into Gaza in cash-filled suitcases – delivered by the Qataris through Israeli territory after months of negotiation with Israel.

The payments started after the Palestinian Authority (PA), the Palestinian government in the Israeli occupied West Bank that is a rival of Hamas, decided to cut salaries of government employees in Gaza in 2017, an Israeli government source with knowledge of the matter told CNN at the time.

The PA opposed the Qatari funding at the time, which Hamas said was meant for the payment of public salaries as well as medical purposes.

Israel approved the deal in a security cabinet meeting in August 2018, when Netanyahu was serving his previous tenure as premier.

Even then, Netanyahu was criticized by his coalition partners for the deal and for being too soft on Hamas.

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Additionally, of course, Biden is fed up with Netanyahu's intransigent behavior.  Biden's got a presidential election, and Netanyahu's need to stay in office to keep his coalition of sicko corrupt authoritarians in line and him out of the courts and prison weighs nothing with Biden's need to get re-elected.  This is what so many call Real Politics, I guess.

Biden to deploy CIA director to help broker major Gaza deal
William Burns is looking to close gaps between Israel and Hamas on a deal that includes the release of all hostages in Gaza and a two-month cease-fire

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/01/25/william-burns-cia-gaza-israel-hostages/?

CIA director to meet with Israel intel chief, Qatar's PM to try to reach a hostages breakthrough
The three leaders are expected to meet this weekend in Europe.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/cia-director-meet-israel-intel-chief-qatars-pm-try-reach-breakthrough-rcna135700

 

 

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Well, Israel Strategic defeat is complete, great work BiBi. 

The ICJ stated that Hamas should give unconditional release to the hostages. I do not much that being will be followed. I do think important consider Hamas prior statement related to the ICJ.

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So, only Uganda and Israeli ad hoc judge Barak voted against South Africa’s application. 
ETA: on all counts, I might add. 

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Al Jazeera reports on the Gaza Genocide case:

Here’s a quick recap of the ICJ ruling:

  • The court says it has jurisdiction to rule in the case.
  • The court orders Israel to take measures to prevent acts of genocide in the Gaza Strip.
  • The court says Israel must prevent and punish incitement to genocide in the Gaza Strip.
  • The court says Israel must allow humanitarian aid in the Gaza Strip.
  • The court obliges Israel to take more measures to protect but Palestinians but does not order it to end military operations in the Gaza Strip.
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The ICJ doesn’t have a mechanism to enforce even what it ruled on, let alone a ceasefire. But the ruling is important regardless, especially when even judges from the US and Germany voted w/ the majority on all counts, clearly a condemnation of the way Israel is conducting its military operation. 
All those saying “no way we’re witnessing genocide live” are gonna have to find different ways of defending Israeli operations since the ICJ in its vast majority believe the case for genocide can be made. 

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