Shaggydog Stark Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Benjen is dead and now is Coldhands As I believe the wights are the reanimated dead being warged by the others when you think back to the Fist where Sam killed the other and became the Slayer the control over Coldhands would be lifted. Either letting him come back as Beric, and cat style and with Bloodravens help is sent to help Sam then get Bran or being now masterless is warged by Bloodraven to be his newest tool. If he is working with instead of for why is he left outside once they get to the cave so i tend to believe the later. Totally agree Benjen done his part and is not needed. The others are complete opposites of the CoTFs. The others are all tall and gaunt and the Children are small The only problem I have with this theory is, wouldn't Bran recognize his own uncle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillio Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Benjen is not definitely dead, so he could be Coldhands, or he could have an entirely different story yet to be revealed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I think Benjen isn't dead because he was mentioned too much. Even in ADWD there's nine or ten references. Isn't a case like Syrio, that was mentioned only once or twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crannog Man Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 If Benjen is Cold Hands, why can he not pass through the Black Gate? I understand he is in a different body or whatever but, he should still be Benjen and as First Ranger he should be able to recite the words to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinso Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Alive or dead, Benjen is not Coldhands. My guess is that Benjen Stark's fate will remain a mystery. In all probability, his bones are either lying in an unmarked grave, or he's shambling around as a zombie (more likely, since that's what happened to two of his men early on). And come on, it's not like he was the most damn important character in the series. If he was alive, he would have turned up by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurie Pringle Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 He's alive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasfast Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 We know this much... Someone (Most probably Benjen) left those obsidian weapons. Whether he hoped (or knew) that Jon would find them through Ghost, it's open to interpretation. If this is true, then we can safely assume that he was or is aware of the lethal effect of obsidian on the Others. First casual evidence of his possible survival, for we know that the wildlings are not that deadly to the Night's Watch if they're respected... and certainly not to the First Ranger, a Stark. Benjen might have contact with the Children of the Forest and perhaps is also acquainted with Bloodraven, but I seriously doubt he's Coldhands. Remember that he was Bran's uncle too. Bran would have known him on sight, Wight and all. He never even sensed him as familiar. Summer didn't recognize him either, and was actually weary of him. Bran's leadership, if any, will most probably due to the Forest and Those Who Sing. Leading an army of corrupted dead and demonic spirits of cold is certainly against everything we've read of him so far. D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slurms McKenzie Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yes, Benjen Stark is alive, but he's paralyzed from the neck down. He has become a vegetable and won't be much help to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yakman Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 personally, i do not believe that benjen stark is coldhands. bran would have recognized him in ASoS OR ADwD. that did not happen. i am not sure that he is alive--most of his men are dead, according to the wights from book 1. but i am pretty sure that he is not coldhands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayroar Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 If Benjen is Cold Hands, why can he not pass through the Black Gate? I understand he is in a different body or whatever but, he should still be Benjen and as First Ranger he should be able to recite the words to pass. He's an Other and the spells on the wall keep Others away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerys Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I have feeling he is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I have feeling he is dead. Well, sure, but that doesn’t answer the question of whether he’s still out and about — death not being what it used to be and all. ;-} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 My only thought preventing me from being 100% in the Benjy is Coldly camp is this: is that cache of dragonglass that Jon found related? If Benjen is coldhands, it makes sense for him to of left the glass as it is presumably as lethal for him in his dead state as it is to the Others. However, Jon found Night's Watch Blacks with that cache, and Coldhands is still wearing his black. So basically I'm wondering how that find fits into the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshakhad Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He's alive. However, he got COMPLETELY turned around, and is somewhere in the Land of Always Winter by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azerate Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 As a fan of simple solutions, I hope he is dead. And once again there is not a single thing leading to him being alive and yet people take that for a 100% fact. I hate it so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrypticWeirwood Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 My only thought preventing me from being 100% in the Benjy is Coldly camp is this: is that cache of dragonglass that Jon found related? If Benjen is coldhands, it makes sense for him to of left the glass as it is presumably as lethal for him in his dead state as it is to the Others. However, Jon found Night's Watch Blacks with that cache, and Coldhands is still wearing his black. So basically I'm wondering how that find fits into the picture. Obsidian does not do anything special to the wight revenants. It is only against the unworldly Others, composed as they are of frozen mists, that it works its melting magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Yes, but I would say that this Coldhands is something more than a mere wight, as he has managed to keep his wits and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBiologist Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 i think benjen is dead. back in a Jon chapter in aGoT: "...in his mind's eye he saw ben stark dead, his blood red in the snow. The thought made him sick. What was he becoming?" I'm not quite sure who the that "he" refers to; is Jon referring to himself or if he's envisioning his uncle becoming a wight? but then again, jon's not the greenseer of the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I believe he's undead, and that he's coldhands. It was the first thing that came to my mind when he showed up riding on the back of a giant elk. That and I believe Bran's line in AGoT about the Children saving him was a subtle hint of forshadowing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragginstoned Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Alive or dead, Benjen is not Coldhands. My guess is that Benjen Stark's fate will remain a mystery. In all probability, his bones are either lying in an unmarked grave, or he's shambling around as a zombie (more likely, since that's what happened to two of his men early on). And come on, it's not like he was the most damn important character in the series. If he was alive, he would have turned up by now. if he was coldhands, which I do not believe, he cant pass through the gate because coldhands is dead and therefore his watch is over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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