EHK for Darwin Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 [quote]He doesn't totally win, because Gotham's chosen savior is either dead or a monster, and he's hated by all for it, but it's not a total defeat.[/quote] But the only way they could avert that total defeat was with the 'comforting lie', the manipulating of the huddled masses. That in itself is a partial defeat. Both for batman and the people of the city. There really wasn't too much positive at the end of this film. [quote]People are saying the Joker switched addresses, but that doesn't make sense to me. I thought the Joker's ultimate goal was to break Harvey and have the people see Harvey fall from grace. So, to me, I thought he'd know that Batman would save Harvey over Rachel. The Joker would have no reason to know Batman has any personal connection to Rachel.[/quote] As others have mentioned, Batman flat out said he was going after Rachael. The Joker commented that he genuinely believed Dent was Batman at first (interrogation room talk) because of Bat's reaction to the Joker threatening Rachael at the party. The Joker could and did infer from that that Batman had something for Rachael and that given the choice, that's where he'd most likely go. [quote]No body on the scene that we saw, no shot of her getting blown up, just a voice cut off on a radio. Dents got a body thats not breathing, dents got a very visible fall, dents got lots of cops hanging about to confirm it, dents got a memorial. If people want their conspiracy cake and think its valid then they should have to deal with all comers.[/quote] If you look at it from a film perspective, there's simply no reason for Rachael to be alive. She's not a canon character. There's no real need for her in future films. It would be an incredibly cheap horseshit copout if she did live, essentially compromising all of the 'oh shit, anything might happen here!' credibility the film had previously built up. Dent's character very likely could fill an essential role in future films. (going by the last thread, the two most acceptable villains for this particular Batman franchise would be the Riddler or Dent) He's already established and there's every reason to believe he could be a quality villain. It'd be a bit of a copout, but they could always pull the 'well he died metaphorically' Star Wars/ESB bullshit and say Dent is gone, but Two-face lives. Yeah its a tad cheap, but he was a good character. i'd deal. The mobster being shoved from 2-3 stories and living could very well be foreshadowing of Dent's own fall, which didn't appear that high either. Considering this, I think its perfectly reasonable to take the position that Rachael is dead but Two-face isn't. Honestly, I think the status of Two-face isn't set in stone. Its a film-maker call. There's wiggle-room to bring him back. Whether they do or not is up to them. But I don't think anyone can say right now with full certainty whether the character is alive or dead atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.