Artanaro Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Here's the anti R+L=J theory as I propose. N+A=J Facts that support this arguement over R+L=J: First arguement. Arthur Dayne wasn't her only brother from what we learn from Edric Dayne. She may have been close to him, but her brother is a member of the Kingsguard nevertheless. Varys says a kingsguard should die, "with sword in hand, defending one of the king's own blood." This belief is shared by about everyone in Westeros. I'm not saying Ashara should be happy her brother died, but I have no doubt she knew what that cloak meant, like every other person on the continent. Members of the Kingsguard do not run. And she would understand what Ned would be forced to do under the circumstances. Even Edric Dayne doesn't use him as an excuse why Ashara died. But if part of the supposed story is wrong, that casts doubts on the rest as well. So carrying on. Second arguement. Also, here's another fact that supports this theory. Throughout ASOIAF, there are many examples of bastards. Ramsey Snow and the Glover bastard were each raised by their mother. Jon is a remarkable break with tradition, because his "father" chose to raise him at Winterfell. However, if Ashara was Jon's mother and alive, it seems by all standards she should have raised Jon in accord with Westeros custom. So this far better explains her suicide or possible fake death then that she was grief stricken by the death of her brother and suffering a broken heart from Ned marrying Catelyn. Third arguement. It's the timing of her suicide, which throws off many warning signals. For the stated account to be true, Ashara Dayne should not find out about Ned and Catelyn's marriage until Ned comes to her. But it seems awfully hard to believe she got no word by raven. We know for sure Ned married Catelyn before the Trident. This leaves months for Ashara to receive the news. Every person (Sandor Clegane as one example) in Westeros knows about Edmure's upcoming marriage to a Frey, as well as Robb's marriage to a Westerling. So I find it hard to believe she waited until Ned arrived in order to off herself, if a broken heart is all it took. And why choose a manner of death that leaves no trace of her demise or any possibility for a funeral. This makes the entire incident very suspicious. Yes it's possible she died of a broken heart, but very unlikely. Fourth arguement. Edric Dayne acknowledges his relationship with Jon Snow as being that of milk brothers. Their shared wetnurse was named Wylla. Edric believes Wylla was Jon's mother, but if Wylla is truly Jon's mother it fails to explain why Ned took Jon back to Winterfell. But there's something more important to be considered here. If Jon is truly the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna, why would Ned bring the child to the company of the Daynes. Wylla would know for sure she wasn't the mother, so Eddard runs a grave risk by taking on people to conceal Rhaegar and Lyanna's story. Any number could reveal that this child wasn't Wylla's and that his origins are a mystery. So what reason could he have with making Wylla assume to be the mother of the child. The obvious answer is to conceal the mother's identity. But how do you reconcile such a plot without revealing such a grave secret to Wylla. Perhaps R+L=J is not the intended secret, but something else is. Wylla could be used to divert attention away from Ashara Dayne as the mother. Being a wetnurse of Edric implies she has some loyalty to the house of Dayne. Therefore, she's the perfect person to hide a noble woman's bastard child. But why would someone want the world not to know they had a baby. If Ashara had a child, I can't even possibly fathom her committing suicide. And I doubt many other people in Westeros would either. What I believed happen: Eddard Stark found Lyanna with a child at the Tower of Joy. Unfortunately, he had only one person in all the world he could trust with such a grave secret. That being Ashara Dayne. But she already had a child. Lyanna and Rhaegar's son would need to go into perpetual hiding in order to escape Robert's wrath. Eddard new he couldn't bring the child back to Winterfell, but he needed someone he could trust with raising him (or her). Ashara Dayne was that person. But if a person disappears, that will raise grave suspicion. So she needed to fake her death. But sadly, if you disappear, your child can't disappear with you. That's why Eddard had to raise his son. The things people do for love. Eddard probably regretted everyday of his life that he could not bring Jon to meet his mother. Who I believe is still alive. May Jon get his reunion some day. Artanaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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