Elrostar Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 [quote name='Cimon' post='1668929' date='Jan 30 2009, 21.58']I'm kind of confused, are you making the assertion that referring to them as the Byzantines is relegating them to a sub-Roman status in history? I apologize if that's not what you were trying to say, but it seems to me that it makes perfect sense to think of them as distinctly different from Romans. I mean, not only was the culture/architecture etc. quite different from the western Romans, but seeing as how the western empire collapsed, and with it any idea of a Rome-centric empire, why would we refer to them as Roman? They thrived on their own merit and not from their status as an entity of the Roman Empire.[/quote] My point is that they saw themselves as being culturally the descendants of Rome. Were they different from Romans? Absolutely, but then the Romans of the time of Augustus were very different from the Romans of the time of the founding of the Republic. And both were different from the Romans at the time of Marcus Aurelius. It's nice to picture Romans as being this one fixed thing, but that's completely fictitious. Furthermore, the Byzantine Empire lasted for over a thousand years separated from the Western Roman Empire. A thousand years. What it was when Constantine founded Constantinople is completely different from what it was by the time the First Crusade stopped off in the city. And totally different when the city finally fell to the Muslims in 1453. It may not have changed quite as drastically as we've changed from the time of Elizabeth I, but keep in mind that we're only a bit over four centuries removed from her. Not ten. So why should we call them Romans? Because they called themselves Romans, I guess. Because that's what they thought they were. Kind of like we (in the US) call ourselves Americans and our country USA. Wouldn't it be odd to refer to us as... FS... the Federated States, to denote that we weren't a confederacy of states, as we had initially started out, and as the secessionists were in the civil war. Perhaps not the best example, but I hope it conveys my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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