Maia Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Mormont, I really think that most of Bakker discussion was quite pertinent to this thread. IMHO, he is one of the parade examples for an SWM tropes problematic, all the more so since he is a good author. I also think that using concrete examples of novels, etc. helps to see such stuff particularly clearly. I intended to use Butcher's Codex Alera series as my next example, but if you feel that it wouldn't fit the thread, I can start a new topic. A couple of closing remarks on Bakker: [quote name='Bastard of Godsgrace' post='1671262' date='Feb 2 2009, 14.22']I really think the Few are too few to do things like building roads and move ships. There really is only handful of them.[/quote] We have seen hundreds of them doing stuff during a war and there are more who hold the forts or are still in training back at the Schools. What do they do at the time of peace? Oh, and of course having women to protect the home strongholds would allow them to field greater contingents at the time of need. [quote]IIRC, Bakker mentioned somewhere the effect was limited to souled beings - in practice only Men, since Non-Men didn't breed anymore[/quote] Ok. A willingness of a whole nation to die out and fight for this outcome still seems strange to me from RL POV. I mean, sure, they killed all women, except for 1 per family for cooking, during the siege of Nineveh (or was it Babylon?), but they thought that they'd be able to easily replenished them from surrounding peoples once the danger was past. [quote]Anyhow, schools are just that - and even in contemporary times you may find people who frown at the idea of co-educational boarding schools.[/quote] Since no school in RL could ever turn one into an equivalent of high-grade cannon, I fail to see the relevance. This is yet another case where magic should be introducing radical changes into the worldbuilding, IMHO. Again, it seems that folks think that laws of physics are more mutable than social conventions. Which is just sad. Oh, and Schools aren't like RL schools anyway, as they don't service people who want to acquire education to succeed in the outside world, but only train members of their own order, to increase their own manpower. Also, the Schools are already outcast and damned, and only tolerated because of their power. I fail to see why they should particularly care about conventions of the world that has already rejected them, when they can significantly increase their power and safety by ignoring them. Oh, and another point - of the few prominent female characters, they all were whores and concubines. Another pertinent point touched on in the SWM SF/F tropes discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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