Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Nittanian said: Would separate templates be required for the Vale, Dorne, and westerlands? The Iron Islands and the Reach could show the changes in the Shields Islands. Well, if we don't give those two boxes, you immediately notice that there will have been some sort of power-struggle in specific regions as their wiki pages have two boxes instead of one. For consistency, it might be an idea to give the Vale, Dorne and the Westerlands similar templates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeRamenGuy Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I'm curious about why houses that are mentioned only in The Princess and the Queen, such as House Grey, House Chambers and House Bigglestone are listed as extinct in the "Houses of the Riverlands" template, but not on the Category:Extinct houses page. It should also be noted that houses mentioned only in the Dunk and Egg novels, such as House Shawney and House Butterwell are treated differently in the sense that they are not listed in the "Houses of the Riverlands" template as being extinct the way houses mentioned only in The Princess and the Queen are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetiger Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 6 minutes ago, ZeRamenGuy said: I'm curious about why houses that are mentioned only in The Princess and the Queen, such as House Grey, House Chambers and House Bigglestone are listed as extinct in the "Houses of the Riverlands" template, but not on the Category:Extinct houses page. It should also be noted that houses mentioned only in the Dunk and Egg novels, such as House Shawney and House Butterwell are treated differently in the sense that they are not listed in the "Houses of the Riverlands" template as being extinct the way houses mentioned only in The Princess and the Queen are. Welcome to the forum Ramen I'm happy that you finally created account here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 On 2/21/2016 at 11:37 AM, ZeRamenGuy said: I'm curious about why houses that are mentioned only in The Princess and the Queen, such as House Grey, House Chambers and House Bigglestone are listed as extinct in the "Houses of the Riverlands" template, but not on the Category:Extinct houses page. It should also be noted that houses mentioned only in the Dunk and Egg novels, such as House Shawney and House Butterwell are treated differently in the sense that they are not listed in the "Houses of the Riverlands" template as being extinct the way houses mentioned only in The Princess and the Queen are. This proposed dual template no longer presents them as extinct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 The page on the Battle of the Green Fork states that the Stark host was 17,300 men. Where is that number coming from? I can't find it.. We know that Robb has 19,500 men when he reaches the Twins, and that House Frey has 4,000 men. 800 remain at the Twins when Robb marches and he splits up his forces, but I can't find it stated anywhere how many men of this host Robb takes with him for the march on Riverrun, or how many he sends with Lord Bolton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Something else, Cersei Lannister has "brotherfucker", "queen whore" and "the bitch queen" listed as her aliases. Do they count as aliases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said: Something else, Cersei Lannister has "brotherfucker", "queen whore" and "the bitch queen" listed as her aliases. Do they count as aliases? I would say no. I'd argue brotherfucker is just an insult like all the other things that are yelled at her. You probably wouldn't say that "traitor" or "whore" was a nickname. She's only called queen whore once that I can find. Two people call her the bitch queen, so that's more questionable. Personally I still wouldn't consider it an alias. Edited February 24, 2016 by RumHam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizoz Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Biter's page says he was "part of the foraging company who captures Ser Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth near Maidenpool." But it also says he doesn't appear in ASOS, and indeed I can't find a reference for him being there. Is there one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 38 minutes ago, Zizoz said: Biter's page says he was "part of the foraging company who captures Ser Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth near Maidenpool." But it also says he doesn't appear in ASOS, and indeed I can't find a reference for him being there. Is there one? Haven't been able to find it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 On 24-2-2016 at 9:31 PM, RumHam said: I would say no. I'd argue brotherfucker is just an insult like all the other things that are yelled at her. You probably wouldn't say that "traitor" or "whore" was a nickname. She's only called queen whore once that I can find. Two people call her the bitch queen, so that's more questionable. Personally I still wouldn't consider it an alias. So I can remove them then? How about "king worm", listed as an alias for Joffrey? This is the quote: The knight raised his voice instead. "Joffrey is the black worm eating the heart of the realm! Darkness was his father, and death his mother! Destroy him before he corrupts you all! Destroy them all, queen whore and king worm, vile dwarf and whispering spider, the false flowers. Save yourselves!" One of the gold cloaks knocked the man off his feet, but he continued to shout. "The scouring fire will come! King Stannis will return!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Since it's an uncommon insult rather than an alias or an epithet, "king worm" should be removed as well, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumHam Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Yeah I agree about king worm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I updated the riverlands template to show the AGOT and ADWD templates. When looking at a sample riverlands house, however, only the first portion (AGOT) shows up. Since both are not showing up at the same time, we could instead use two templates, say {{Template:HousesRiverlandsStart}} and {{Template:HousesRiverlandsFinish}}. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Some questions: What are the criteria for the houses classified as "Other Houses"? Shouldn't House Nayland be in another category, since the knightly status isn't confirmed? Shouldn't this be the case for the houses Darry and Whent, since they are not in possession of their holdings anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 50 minutes ago, Nittanian said: I updated the riverlands template to show the AGOT and ADWD templates. When looking at a sample riverlands house, however, only the first portion (AGOT) shows up. Since both are not showing up at the same time, we could instead use two templates, say {{Template:HousesRiverlandsStart}} and {{Template:HousesRiverlandsFinish}}. I see no problem with creating two separate templates for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 45 minutes ago, Rhaenys_Targaryen said: I see no problem with creating two separate templates for that. Take a gander at the bottom of House Tully to see how it looks. 58 minutes ago, The Wondering Wolf said: Some questions: What are the criteria for the houses classified as "Other Houses"? Shouldn't House Nayland be in another category, since the knightly status isn't confirmed? Shouldn't this be the case for the houses Darry and Whent, since they are not in possession of their holdings anymore? I don't think we have criteria for Other Houses, since GRRM hasn't gone into great detail regarding hierarchy and specifics for lesser known houses. Some templates separate the more prominent houses into Noble Houses and the lesser ones into Other Houses, but maybe they should be merged. I'm not sure which is best at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Nittanian said: Take a gander at the bottom of House Tully to see how it looks. Looks good We do the same for the other regions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Both on laptop and mobile, the wiki no longer displays the way it should.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 On 26.02.2016 at 9:22 PM, Nittanian said: I don't think we have criteria for Other Houses, since GRRM hasn't gone into great detail regarding hierarchy and specifics for lesser known houses. Some templates separate the more prominent houses into Noble Houses and the lesser ones into Other Houses, but maybe they should be merged. I'm not sure which is best at this point. Since we don't know enough about those houses, we shouldn't devide the houses into categories they may not even fit in. What do you think about the houses Nayland, Darry and Whent? The arms of House Ball are blazoned with "Three white plates upon a chevron red on a white field". But their arms on the wiki don't show a chevron, but a chevron inverted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Just noticed that a couple of items on the front page -- Featured Article and Did You Know -- are not rendering right. I'm not quite sure why, but if someone who understands the templates can look at it, it'd be great. Re: House Ball, An interesting quirk of George's heraldry is that when he says 'chevron', he means what in our world is the 'chevron inverted'. This is due to a misunderstanding on his part more than anything, I think, but regardless when he blazoned the Ashford arms with a chevron, and we did the standard chevron, he indicated that he wanted it pointing down. Edited February 29, 2016 by Ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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