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[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

4 hours ago, Nittanian said:

Good catch; Dany, for instance, uses it in reference to Westeros. 

Also Melisandre

The carved chest that she had brought across the narrow sea was more than three-quarters empty now. 

And Tyrion

Your branch sprouted from a stone spit across the narrow sea, no doubt. A younger son of Viserys Plumm, I'd wager. The queen's dragons were fond of you, were they not?"

 

At the moment, most of the information on across the narrow sea, however, describes parts of Essos, or even belongs better to the page on the known world. 

But as I said, I personally think that the entire page is redundant. The across the narrow sea page could make mention of the use of the phrase, and mention that it is used by Westerosi in Westeros to refer to places in Essos (primarily western Essos), and by Westerosi in Essos to refer to Westeros.

[Thomaerys Velaryon]

There are two houses with a very similar name, both from the westerlands:

* House Broom

* House Broome

 

Are they really two separate houses ?

[Thomaerys Velaryon]

Concerning the marriage of Lord Ronnel Arryn, there is this quote from TWOIAF:

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With the unification of the realm and the establishment of the boy Ronnel Arryn (the King Who Flew) as the first Lord of the Eyrie, there were new opportunities for the house. It was no great surprise when Queen Rhaenys Targaryen arranged the betrothal of young Ronnel to the daughter of Torrhen Stark, for that was but one of the many such marriages she made in the name of peace.

-TWOIAF, The Vale: House Arryn

But in Fire and Blood we have the following:

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Aegon's queens, Visenya and Rhaenys, took a special delight in arranging these matches. Through their efforts, young Ronnel Arryn, Lord of the Eyrie, took a daughter of Torrhen Stark of Winterfell to wed, whilst Loren Lannister's eldest son, heir to Casterly Rock, married a Redwyne girl from the Arbor.

-Fire & Blood, Three Heads Had the Dragon : Governance Under King Aegon I

@Ran Does King/Lord Torrhen Stark now has several daughters (at least two) in the canon ?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

A theory section has been added to the Olyvar Frey page. The theory suggests Olyvar as Lord Rosby's unnamed ward , as Olyvar is related to the Rosby's by blood and his other siblings do not seem to be available.

Aside from the fact that theories should be put on their own page, doesn't this quote from AFFC already confirm that the unnamed ward  is not related by blood, and thus that this theory should be removed?

"[..] He left no children?"

"No children of his body, but there is a ward . . ."

". . . not of his blood." Cersei dismissed that annoyance with a flick of her hand.

Edited June 27, 2019 by Rhaenys_Targaryen

[zionius]

@Abjiklam It seems the dragons in House Vance heraldry should have four legs. See https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Heraldry/Entry/House_Vance01/ https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Heraldry/Entry/House_Vance02/ for reference images.

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Ran, King o' the Board (2/15/05 6:19 am)

The Targaryen heraldic dragon shouldn't, in fact, be a RL heraldic dragon. It should be more like a wyvern, because GRRM's indicated it's got just two legs (yes, this means our front legs -- albeit tiny -- are incorrect at Westeros.org; since removing the legs means rebalancing the whole figure, we've not had time to fix that as of yet)...The Targaryen dragon seems to be an exception. When we pointed out we had four legs on the Vance dragons, too, he said those were all right. Possibly there had once been a breed of dragon that had four legs. We know Westeros had dragons in it, many milennia ago. -Source

 

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

On 6/27/2019 at 10:08 AM, Rhaenys_Targaryen said:

A theory section has been added to the Olyvar Frey page. The theory suggests Olyvar as Lord Rosby's unnamed ward , as Olyvar is related to the Rosby's by blood and his other siblings do not seem to be available.

Aside from the fact that theories should be put on their own page, doesn't this quote from AFFC already confirm that the unnamed ward  is not related by blood, and thus that this theory should be removed?

"[..] He left no children?"

"No children of his body, but there is a ward . . ."

". . . not of his blood." Cersei dismissed that annoyance with a flick of her hand.

No opinions on the underlined question?

[Ran]

So,  it's actually slightly unclear whether Cersei is pressing on the point that the ward is not a descendant of Lord Rosby and so has no claim as far as she's concerned, as opposed to the ward not having any Rosby blood at all. You could read it either way.

[Nittanian]

On 6/22/2019 at 7:04 PM, Thomaerys Velaryon said:

There are two houses with a very similar name, both from the westerlands:

* House Broom

* House Broome

 

Are they really two separate houses ?

Good question...

[Nittanian]

Where is it stated that Quellon Greyjoy was the grandson of Dagon the Last Reaver?

[Rhaenys_Targaryen]

1 hour ago, Nittanian said:

Where is it stated that Quellon Greyjoy was the grandson of Dagon the Last Reaver?

ADWD, The Wayward Bride

Erik had been a great man in his day, a fearless reaver who could boast of having sailed with [Asha's] grandsire's grandsire, that same Dagon Greyjoy whom Dagon the Drunkard had been named for. 

 

Edited July 8, 2019 by Rhaenys_Targaryen
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[Nittanian]

Thanks!

[The Grey Wolf]

Ser Gyles Belgrave, Ser Julian Wormwood, and Ser Titus Peake still need to be added to the list of Greens.

Also, for the Battle of the Red Fork, it should say the Greens had 1K knights and 7K crossbowmen/men-at-arms since that's how many men Lord Jason raised and there were no battles involving the Westermen prior to that point. By extension, we can say Lords Vances and Piper had less than 8000 and that at Acorn Hall + Fishfeed the Lannisters had less than 8K due to prior casaulties. 

Oh, and depending on how many casaulties he took during the Moon of Three Kings + Subduing the Crownlands maybe the page on the Muddy Mess should list House Baratheon's strength as 4K foot and 600 knights or less than that?

Shouldn't Lord Derrick Darry be added to the list of casaulties at Second Tumbleton?

Finally, on the First Tumbleton page it should list the Greens as having 18000 foot and 2K knights since that's the number F & B gives us in the leadup to the battle.

@Ran

Any thoughts on the Kayce and Roger Corne conundrums?

Edited July 9, 2019 by The Grey Wolf

[lysmonger]

On 7/6/2019 at 1:16 PM, Ran said:

So,  it's actually slightly unclear whether Cersei is pressing on the point that the ward is not a descendant of Lord Rosby and so has no claim as far as she's concerned, as opposed to the ward not having any Rosby blood at all. You could read it either way.

whats important to note nearly every house near Kingslanding are up for grabs. Darry, Stokeworth, and Rosby.

[The Grey Wolf]

Another thing to note: According to F & B Ser Criston rode to Stokeworth and Rosby with 500 household knights plus a certain number of sellswords (I don't have my copy handy and don't remember the exact figure) and contrary to what TWOIAF hinted at, there wasn't much of a battle at either place. Furthermore, because Rosby and Stokeworth added their forces to Ser Criston's the Greens had around 4K at Duskendale and Rook's Rest so those pages on the wiki should be updated accordingly as well.

(Should the Ironborn's sack of Lannisport, capture of Fair Isle, and capture of Kayce (where F & B and TWOIAF contradict each other) be given pages of their own or added to the aftermath of other battles?)

(Also, does anyone think the short, sharp battle on the shores of the Gods Eye between Ser Criston's vanguard and Houses Wode, Roote, and Darry should be given a page of its own? Unlike the battle three days after the one at Acorn Hall there's no other battle to add it to as background or aftermath as far as I can remember.)

[The Wondering Wolf]

Something about categorization: Many Archmaesters and Grand Maesters are categorized both under Maesters and Archmaester or Grand Maesters, although any Archmaester and Grand Maester is a Maester by default. Usually a page is not supposed to be categorized in a category and a subcategory at the same time, because the pages in the subcategory belong to the category automatically. So I would propose to remove the Maester category in these cases.

[Nittanian]

On 7/12/2019 at 5:45 AM, The Wondering Wolf said:

Something about categorization: Many Archmaesters and Grand Maesters are categorized both under Maesters and Archmaester or Grand Maesters, although any Archmaester and Grand Maester is a Maester by default. Usually a page is not supposed to be categorized in a category and a subcategory at the same time, because the pages in the subcategory belong to the category automatically. So I would propose to remove the Maester category in these cases.

I agree; another group with overcategorization is members of the Night's Watch (which can be narrowed down to builders/rangers/stewards). 

In contrast, I would keep members of the Kingsguard within that category as well as the higher Knights category, as we are introduced to several knights who become Kingsguard in the story and Sandor is not a knight. 

[Nittanian]

On 4/2/2015 at 3:13 PM, RumHam said:

Am I right to assume that House Shett of Gull Tower and House Shett of Gulltown are two different houses? The Alayne chapter gives different arms than we had previously. Also the wiki says Gull Tower is in Gulltown, but the source is :

And if there are two house Shetts, then Martin could have been talking about House Shett of Gulltown, and Gull Tower could be the location of a cadet branch anywhere in the Vale.

@Ran, just checking if you have any newer info regarding the Shetts. The Citadel's heraldry page lists House Shett of Gull Tower as "Three golden wings, bendwise, on checkered white and black". SSM from 2000 suggests the Shetts share control of Gulltown with the Graftons. The AFFC Appendix lists Damon Shett as the Knight of Gull Tower. TWOIAF confirms the Shetts controlled Gulltown prior to the Graftons.

The Alayne sample, however, introduces Uther, the first Shett to appear in the story: "The pimply-ginger lad countered with nine white seagulls on a field of brown, which marked him for a Shett of Gulltown."

The wiki currently assumes there are two branches, Gulltown and Gull Tower. 

[Ran]

Nothing new on it. George hasn't clarified.

[Nittanian]

Thanks! Do you think it would be better to have separate pages or one page listing the differences?

[The Wondering Wolf]

Since the Shetts of Gull Tower are vassals to House Royce, I guess they are just the knightly branch. Would be weird for the Gulltown Shetts to have the Royces as their liege lords.