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Ha, wow, Lions has been sitting on my shelf for that long huh? Anyway About 80 page left, I like it a lot but there are some occasional eye rolling WE ARE MEN moments, which I understand is a bit of a GGK thing.

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I can't remember what the bizarre sex scene was in Lions. There seems to be one in every GGK novel.

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12 minutes ago, Astromech said:

I can't remember what the bizarre sex scene was in Lions. There seems to be one in every GGK novel.

Children of Earth and Sky has a nice shout out to the Bishop of Bath & Wells episode in Blackadder II, when the Seressan Ambassador gets presented with a picture of a prostitute sodomising him with a root vegetable.

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Haha, I forgot about that one. The one that stands out for me is the early one in A Song for Arbonne in the throne room.

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Lions has the part where the wife strings the husband up in a barn and beats him around a bit. Nothing that strange considering some of the more bizarre SFF stuff out there now.

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On 14/01/2018 at 6:22 PM, Pecan said:

Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the style of prose GGK is using in these novels, where he switches occasionally into the present tense. I don't hate it, exactly, but it feels a bit gimmicky to me. I don't know how long he's been doing that, but he does it a lot in both books. I've not read Under Heaven or Ysabel yet, so I'm not sure when this started. I don't recall that technique being present in Last Light of the Sun, which was the last novel I had read of his before about two weeks ago. 

(I know this post is like 3 months old but I thought I'd chime in anyway).

I think The Last Light of the Sun actually is the first time he incorporated that tense-shift into his writing.

 

It's used in the sections with the Fairy, can't recall her name right now. 

 

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it either. Present-tense is also used in Under Heaven and actually feels even more discordant... The usage in Last Light at least made sense to convey that a certain character perceived the world differently, but otherwise it feels somewhat incongruous to me.

It's not intolerable or anything (GGK remains my favourite author) but it's... odd.

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He used it in River of Stars for the poet woman, right? I actually thought it worked well there, reflected how she saw the world differently (more immediately?). 

Generally I dislike third person present tense though, even more so when it's dropped into a book that otherwise isn't. 

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New novel details are out, it is called "Brightness long ago", comes out in May 2019:

 

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International bestselling author Guy Gavriel Kay's latest work is set in a world evoking early Renaissance Italy and offers an extraordinary cast of characters whose lives come together through destiny, love, and ambition. 

In a chamber overlooking the nighttime waterways of a maritime city, a man looks back on his youth and the people who shaped his life. Danio Cerra's intelligence won him entry to a renowned school even though he was only the son of a tailor. He took service at the court of a ruling count--and soon learned why that man was known  as the Beast. 
Danio's fate changed the moment he saw and recognized Adria Ripoli as she entered the count's chambers one autumn night--intending to kill. Born to power, Adria had chosen, instead of a life of comfort, one of danger--and freedom. Which is how she encounters Danio in a perilous time and place.

Vivid figures share the unfolding story. Among them: a healer determined to defy her expected lot; a charming, frivolous son of immense wealth; a powerful religious leader more decadent than devout; and, affecting all these lives and many more,  two larger-than-life mercenary commanders, lifelong adversaries, whose rivalry puts a world in the balance.

A Brightness Long Ago offers both compelling drama and deeply moving reflections on the nature of memory, the choices we make in life, and the role played by the turning of Fortune's whee

 

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I've read Lions and Light....what are some other of his popular ones? I need something to read!

I am surprised as I THOUGHT one of his other novels already covered Italian Renaissance (obviously just one of them I had not yet read). Fairly excited to hear of this new one. 

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The new novel sounds very similar to Children of Earth and Sky in terms of setting and themes, which is disappointing to me. I'm certain I'll enjoy the novel, but I would've liked Kay to explore new ground.

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1 hour ago, Cithrin's Ale said:

The new novel sounds very similar to Children of Earth and Sky in terms of setting and themes, which is disappointing to me. I'm certain I'll enjoy the novel, but I would've liked Kay to explore new ground.

Have to say I have the same feeling. I'm not very excited by this synopsis. 

On top of that, his last couple of books have not been as good as his earlier work. I'm not sure I'd say he's lost it as he is clearly still a superb wordsmith but his plots have become less interesting. His first couple of works are still the best regarded ones as well if you look at ratings on forums etc. I do hope it will be better than the last few.

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2 hours ago, Wik said:

I've read Lions and Light....what are some other of his popular ones? I need something to read!

I am surprised as I THOUGHT one of his other novels already covered Italian Renaissance (obviously just one of them I had not yet read). Fairly excited to hear of this new one. 

Tigana is Renaissance Italy inspired, but much more fantastical than his historical fantasies have generally been. I'm guessing this is in the same milieu as the previous novel. Excited as that's when it comes to GGK. With the timing, I hope there's a chance he'll do some touring next year.

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"Key Selling Points" from Edelweiss catalog:

FOLLOWS THE ACCLAIMED CHILDREN OF EARTH AND SKY, inspired by Renaissance Europe

STANDALONE NOVEL that takes place in a similar locale to Children of Earth and Sky but is a generation removed

A PREEMINENT NAME IN HISTORICAL FANTASY: River of Stars and Under Heaven received rave reviews from The Washington Post, The Huffington Post, The Globe and Mail (UK), Publishers Weekly, and Library Journal

HUGE BESTSELLER IN CANADA: Children of Earth and Sky was a #1 bestseller in Canada, and Guy Kay was recently named to the Order of Canada, the country’s highest civilian honor

AWARD-WINNING AUTHOR: Winner of the International Goliardos Prize for his fantasy writing and a World Fantasy Award winner for Ysabel

FIONAVAR TAPESTRY SERIES OPTIONED FOR TV by the people behind Orphan Black, which will raise the author’s profile

BASED ON EXTENSIVE REAL-WORLD RESEARCH: His novels appeal to fans of historical fiction (like fans of Bernard Cornwell and Edward Rutherfurd) as well as fantasy (like fans of David Mitchell and Lev Grossman)

NATIONAL BESTSELLING AUTHOR: Children of Earth and Sky was a #1 Locus Bestseller for August 2016

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6 hours ago, Wik said:

I've read Lions and Light....what are some other of his popular ones? I need something to read!

I am surprised as I THOUGHT one of his other novels already covered Italian Renaissance (obviously just one of them I had not yet read). Fairly excited to hear of this new one. 

Tigana, The Sarantine Mosaic duology (Sailing to Sarantium and Lord of Emperors) A Song for Arbonne, River of Stars, Under Heaven, Children of Earth and Sky, The Fionavar Tapestry.

I was hoping for a new setting(still loved that of Children of Earth and Sky and its callbacks to Sarantium), but still excited for another GGK book.

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9 hours ago, Wik said:

I've read Lions and Light....what are some other of his popular ones? I need something to read!

I am surprised as I THOUGHT one of his other novels already covered Italian Renaissance (obviously just one of them I had not yet read). Fairly excited to hear of this new one. 

It was Tigana, the one that really made his career, after the Fionavar Tapestry, which was too much both Narnia and LOTR, + his own kinks right up front.

My humble opinion is that Tigana (1990), though providing yet another large window into the author's personal kink, and appropriating a whole bunch out of the very famous academic work of European folklore, The Night Battles: Witchcraft & Agrarian Cults in the Sixteenth & Seventeenth Centuries (1966) by Carlo Ginzburg, is still his best novel.  Kay always starts with somebody else's work to construct his fictions.v  Which is one reason his 'languages' are so clumsy.

 

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Really looking forward to this book. I loved Children of Earth and Sky, which follows my love of the Sarantine Mosaic duology as my fav GGK. 

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12 hours ago, unJon said:

Really looking forward to this book. I loved Children of Earth and Sky, which follows my love of the Sarantine Mosaic duology as my fav GGK. 

This. 

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On 8/26/2018 at 1:31 PM, Darth Richard II said:

Heh, I hate Tigana. Where is @Datepalm when we need her?

I think calling Tigana fascist (even fascist-lite) is over-egging the pudding. It's more a case of being asked to sympathise with terrorists. 

Honestly, if Tigana were better edited, lost a third of its length, and dropped the torturing element, it'd actually be fun, rather than frustrating.

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