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For my part, I'm convinced it'll continue in the pseudo-Asian setting, as the name strikes me as not being far out from cultural representations of steppe peoples, who have featured (in a minor way) in his two latest novels.



But Linda pointed out, after some digging, three places where the phrase "Children of Earth and Sky" appears, or very nearly appears:



1) The Maori creation myths refers to deities who were the Children of Earth and Sky. Notably, Kay was in New Zealand when he wrote The Wandering Fire and Maori myths, customs, and names slipped into that work.


2) Hesiod's Theogony concerns itself with the children Gaia and Uranus, and refers to them as children of Earth and Sky.


3) A second-hand claim that I can't verify that the Inca had a name for themselves that roughly translated as "Children of Stone and Sky"


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I'd love something Maori based, I've always wanted to see more works based on cultures from that part of the world (the only fantasy I've read in that respect, the first book in a series that I for the life of me can't remember the name or author of, was an enjoyable travel through Polynesian mythology that somewhat ruined it by ending the first book with Scotland being where New Zealand should be). And Kay always does meticulous research so I'd be fairly confident of at least some relevance to the actual cultures.

But it'd be slightly worrying too because it's such a different milieu to everything else he's ever written, which at the end of the day almost always comes down to games of high court.

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A friend is interviewing GGK in a week or so and is looking for questions. Suggestions?


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Tough job, the man's had so many interviews already.


Myself I'm interested in any info on the new book.


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Picked up The Sarantine Mosaic from Half Price Books today. Now I have to decide whether I read that or Tigana first. Life is full of difficult decisions.


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Picked up The Sarantine Mosaic from Half Price Books today. Now I have to decide whether I read that or Tigana first. Life is full of difficult decisions.

Sarantine Mosaic - easy choice.

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Yep. I'm not positive I have a favourite, but if I do then Sarantine is definitely in the running. Tigana has some strong points, and may be more well known, but there's some stuff in it that I don't think has aged very well at all, and some other stuff that irrespective of whether it has aged well or not is just a bit shit. Whereas I recall most of Sarantine being ace. Very, very strong books.


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Yeah, I was leaning towards The Sarantine Mosaic. The pseudo-Byzantine setting I find a little more intriguing atm than pseudo-Italian.


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I found a synopsis on Amazon. I have to say I'm not excited, but part of that is that its impossible to pinpoint from this where this takes place, and in what sort of time period.

Some would call her a pirate. But she knows that she is a hero, a pious soldier in the endless religious wars that tear her world apart. She is Danica Gradek, the peerless archer who has lost her family and everything she knows. One night, with her faithful dog beside her, she sneaks onto a boat and kills eight men.


It is an act that will change everything.


Soon she will join Marin Djivo, the ambitious young merchant's son, on his daring overland journey to the capital of the enemy empire. They will be caught up in a dangerous game of intrigue, espionage and war as the armies of the east and west sweep down upon the great city that is the centre of their world.


THE CHILDREN OF EARTH AND SKY is the first of a staggering new epic fantasy from the award-winning author of Tigana, Ysabel and Under Heaven.

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It sounds like it might be more of a secondary world epic fantasy not related to ours as obviously as his previous books. Also, "first" implies that it is the start of a new series, not just another one-off.



Cal, where did you find that synopsis? Google isn't turning up anything.



ETA: found it.


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Been talking to GGK this afternoon (as you do) and the synopsis is apparently very out-of-date and inaccurate. The book is also a stand-alone again, not the start of a new trilogy.



There should be some actual, official news on the novel in the very near future (as in, weeks rather than months).


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Hmm it sounded more like a complete insertion of another author's unrelated book synopsis rather than anything Kay wrote. But you're saying some part of it is actually true?


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Sounds like that time George had an early, for-his-publishers-only sketch of his plans turned into Amazon.com marketing blurb.



I will say that unless Kay completely tossed out every single detail therein, that the setting sounds like medieval-era Byzantium (Sarantium? Or the Under Heaven setting's version of Byzantium? Or a new version of it?), with the lead characters from a Bulgaria/Thracian/Balkan analog. Lots and lots of fascinating history in this era -- the Empire of Trebizond, the Empire of Nicea, the Latin Emperors, the Crusades, the re-establishment of the Greek rule under the Palaiologos family, alliances and conflicts with the Mongols that connected up with the Bulgarian tsars, the Byzantine holdings in Thrace, etc., etc. Rich fodder for east-meets-west action with an alternate historical fantasy twist.



Alternatively, it could be a full-on return to a more fantastical setting, much more loosely tied to our history than what he has done with his last half dozen novels (more like Tigana).


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Sounds like that time George had an early, for-his-publishers-only sketch of his plans turned into Amazon.com marketing blurb.

I will say that unless Kay completely tossed out every single detail therein, that the setting sounds like medieval-era Byzantium (Sarantium? Or the Under Heaven setting's version of Byzantium? Or a new version of it?), with the lead characters from a Bulgaria/Thracian/Balkan analog. Lots and lots of fascinating history in this era -- the Empire of Trebizond, the Empire of Nicea, the Latin Emperors, the Crusades, the re-establishment of the Greek rule under the Palaiologos family, alliances and conflicts with the Mongols that connected up with the Bulgarian tsars, the Byzantine holdings in Thrace, etc., etc. Rich fodder for east-meets-west action with an alternate historical fantasy twist.

Alternatively, it could be a full-on return to a more fantastical setting, much more loosely tied to our history than what he has done with his last half dozen novels (more like Tigana).

I thought Ottoman empire or similar after reading that blurb. Possibly set after Sarantium's capture?

After first reading the title, I thought it might be set in a pseudo pre-Columbian Americas.

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Not impossible. Earlier appeals to me because of the Mongols, though, which would then connect up this setting to his last two novels (at least broadly speaking; the Under Heaven setting has just one moon, so it's pretty explicitly not in the same universe as the Lions/Sarantine/Last Light books.) But yes, Ottoman, too, could work.


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UH has only the one moon, but otherwise refers to the other place names of the Lions/LL/Sarantine books. So either GGK messed up, a moon disappeared somehow (I'm put in mind of Elizabeth Bear's Eternal Sky trilogy, actually, which is very GGK-esque) or the UH/RoS versions is a close parallel universe version of the Lions world.



Given how vague the connections are between the books and all of them are different reflections of Fionavar anyway, I'm not sure that it really matters :)


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