Judging Eye III

[Happy Ent]

This made me think of the following little thing:

Do we assume that Kelly wouldn’t be able to find Ishuäl on his own, say from Atrithau?

[Kalbear]

Why would kell have any problems finding ishual? I know he was hit hard by the outsid and exposure and all, but it was still where he came from.

[Ser Paladin]

This made me think of the following little thing:

Do we assume that Kelly wouldn’t be able to find Ishuäl on his own, say from Atrithau?

Ishual is roughly on the way to Golgoterrath. I wouldn't be surprised if he planned to have the Great Ordeal stop there for tea.

Tea and killing.

[jurble]

How many Dunyain are there? I mean, even with sorcery, any attempted siege on Ishual would probably end with a sizable chunk of Kellhus' army annihilated by kung-fu.

[Shryke]

Nah. They've got no Chorae. Kellhus could kill them all single-handedly.

[lokisnow]

Nah. They've got no Chorae. Kellhus could kill them all single-handedly.

And the Consult have had 20 years to scour the north looking for them. If the consult found the dunyain either the dunyain killed all the consult (hence they are quiet) or they joined forces. The consult could demonstrate sorcery is real and not superstition and then trade chorae to them. The dunyain could provide technical expertise with the tekne. hopefully it has taken the consult a long time to discover the dunyain are wicked smart and fast learners and doubly hopeful that they never thought to ask for dunyain help with the tekne. After all all dunyain need is a single lesson in basic calculus or trig (like Akka gave Kell) and they'll be able to postulate out all the advanced math we currently have and beyond in about ten minutes.

[unJon]

We know that the answer is yes and we know it in dramatic fashion.

SPOILER: salt

Moenghus dies in this fashion

Great call. I withdraw the question.

And the Consult have had 20 years to scour the north looking for them. If the consult found the dunyain either the dunyain killed all the consult (hence they are quiet) or they joined forces.

Consult never found them. See epilouge to TWP.

Question: Would a chorae be able to salt a sorceror if the Sorceror was in Atrithau?

[Shryke]

I think we have far too little information about Anarcane Ground (for "little", see "None") to make any guesses.

[lokisnow]

Great call. I withdraw the question.

Consult never found them. See epilouge to TWP.

Question: Would a chorae be able to salt a sorceror if the Sorceror was in Atrithau?

err it's been 20 years since the epilogue of the Warrior Prophet, I presume they've been searching since they torture fucked that person to death. I doubt they gave up the search

[Shryke]

I doubt they found it either.

[Kalbear]

The consult could demonstrate sorcery is real and not superstition and then trade chorae to them.

The thing is, the Dunyain already had sorcery demonstrated to them. They absolutely knew of its existence and chose to willfully be ignorant of it and actually obfuscate the data about it. They were essentially flat-earthers in this regard; they chose willingly to deny the existence of a force in the world that they knew was there because it didn't fit their worldview.

And while Moe and Kell were able and happy to accept that as part of their worldview, we don't know what the highest of the higher ups in Dunyainland will do when confronted by the reality of magic.

[Shryke]

But we pretty much know 100% that the Dunyain as a group have changed drastically sine that time.

When they first arrived in Ishual they got rid of all knowledge of sorcery. At some later point, they evolved into what they are now. There's no reason to think they still don't WANT to know about sorcery and would avoid learning about it. In fact, Moenghus and Kellhus's reactions to it would seem to indicate the opposite. It's just that, given their isolation and the fact that their predecessors got rid of all that sorcery stuff, they've got no idea it even exists.

[Kalbear]

But we pretty much know 100% that the Dunyain as a group have changed drastically sine that time.

We know nothing of how the group of Dunyain work. We only know how they taught Kellhus. How they function as a society? Unknown. How they rule? Unknown. How they act? Unknown. The only thing we do know is what was there before - which was a society that wanted to wipe out magic entirely - all knowledge, all history, everything.

Why would you think that this would at all change?

There's no reason to believe that the Dunyain would send their most high educated people to the Outside. Moe and Kell weren't the best of the Dunyain; they were the most expendable ones that they believed could get the job done. That doesn't mean that they're the best representative of the rulers as a whole. It just means that they could be lost without being particularly missed.

[Shryke]

Huh?

We know that the Dunyain as they existed when they arrived at Ishaul 2000 years ago are quite different from the Dunyain as they are now.

The Dunyain of 2000 years ago wiped out all knowledge of Sorcery among their group and their isolation has almost certainly prevented them from requiring said knowledge. This is why neither Kellhus nor Moenghus know WTF sorcery is when they first encounter it.

Therefore, the chances of the Dunyain, as they exist now, having any sort of anti-sorcery policy is pretty much non-existent.

In fact, given the evidence of Kelhuss and Moenghus, the Dunyain might actually EMBRACE sorcery if they actually knew about it. Which they don't.