Sir Thursday Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Turntablism, instrumentals, and beatboxing or any other fringe style you can reach for make up less than 1% of hip hop. So I stand by my statement that rap is the common denominator of 99% of hip hop.And spare me the bullshit about everything on this thread must include a technical discussion and comparison. I'm not the only one who put something and said its good. I put up something you don't like.. Get the fuck over it.Oh and my post that's supposedly not any fun sparked debate lasting several pages, if its not fun to you then give it up and let it go, post something that IS fun to you.They make up less than 1% of hip-hop that people talk about, that's for sure. But there's plenty of it around - I think you'll have to do stronger than just asserting that it is so for me to believe that 99% of hip-hop has someone rapping on it.You didn't put up something I didn't like (I thought it was passable), you put up something that isn't relevant, and thread-jacking requires an explanation. When you don't give one, what you get is a page of people arguing over technicalities, which is annoying, not fun.Anyway, I agree that I should probably put something fun up to cleanse the palette after all this tangential stuff. Practising what I preach, here's a nice J Dilla instrumental to help you chill out: ST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 They make up less than 1% of hip-hop that people talk about, that's for sure. But there's plenty of it around - I think you'll have to do stronger than just asserting that it is so for me to believe that 99% of hip-hop has someone rapping on it.You didn't put up something I didn't like (I thought it was passable), you put up something that isn't relevant, and thread-jacking requires an explanation. When you don't give one, what you get is a page of people arguing over technicalities, which is annoying, not fun.Anyway, I agree that I should probably put something fun up to cleanse the palette after all this tangential stuff. Practising what I preach, here's a nice J Dilla instrumental to help you chill out: STI'll show you 99 hip hop productions that include rap for every 1 thing you show without it. That's the only way I know to prove it to you. And I don't even think instrumentals should count since a lot of people use them or intend them to be used for ppl to freestyle over.I didn't jack your damn thread, you arent the authority of what's relevant, if pages and pages of explanation isn't enough to make it sink in for you then it's time to give it up and listen to your instrumentals or beatboxing whatever it is you claim makes up significant portion of hip hop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay B. Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 There's only one plausible way to decide this...forum battle rap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 There's only one plausible way to decide this...forum battle rap.Isn't online rapping just poetry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_ Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Captain Murphy- Immaculation Ft Aziz Gibson and Jermiah Jae The Underachievers- Gold Soul Theory Flatbush Zombies- Laker Paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Sinner Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 They make up less than 1% of hip-hop that people talk about, that's for sure. But there's plenty of it around - I think you'll have to do stronger than just asserting that it is so for me to believe that 99% of hip-hop has someone rapping on it.You didn't put up something I didn't like (I thought it was passable), you put up something that isn't relevant, and thread-jacking requires an explanation. When you don't give one, what you get is a page of people arguing over technicalities, which is annoying, not fun.Anyway, I agree that I should probably put something fun up to cleanse the palette after all this tangential stuff. Practising what I preach, here's a nice J Dilla instrumental to help you chill out: STR'n'B is also a category of Hip-hop that together with Djing and beatboxing makes probably more than 1 percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exa Inova Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 R'n'B is also a category of Hip-hopReally?You illin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born Sinner Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Really?You illin'yeah really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 John legend, mariah Carey, Justin Timberlake...all are hip hop? ok I can dig it ... I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exa Inova Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 yeah reallyJohn legend, mariah Carey, Justin Timberlake...all are hip hop? ok I can dig it ... I guessAnd with that hip hop originated somewhere in the 1930s I guess..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horus Ex Machina Posted September 4, 2013 Author Share Posted September 4, 2013 I didn't jack your damn thread, you arent the authority of what's relevant, if pages and pages of explanation isn't enough to make it sink in for you then it's time to give it up and listen to your instrumentals or beatboxing whatever it is you claim makes up significant portion of hip hop.I actually think that this is a good discussion. I may not agree with your premise entirely but this is the type of debate on hip hop fundamentals that really needs to be had.As for me I learned the four elements of hip hop from the school of the 80s and that carried into the 90s. For the most part, much of that doesn't exist anymore in the same way that it existed then, so it's a lot harder to define. Alot of that has changed in the last decade or so to include other things and exclude other things. B-boying/breakdancing isn't exclusive to hip hop anymore and you see people doing it to electronica and house music these days alot more than to hip hop music. Graffiti is more associated with gangs than hip hop culture these days as well. Hip hop is more about the first two elements of mcing and djing as of now. Mcing is basically about rap, but djing can mean a number of things now. It isn't just about scratching on turntables it's about overall production. And that isn't just about the studio anymore either. So that's a bit harder to define now.Nu-Metal and Rap-Rock have both incorporated rap into their own genres to create new sub-genres. But they're still more associated with rock music than hip hop though they incorporate major hip hop fundamentals and may be fronted by musicians who began their careers making soley hip hop music. It's also not necessarily clear if you can include all R&B even though it often incorporates alot of the same production values. It depends. Neo Soul is more hip hop, since it basically branched off in the 90's though few artists really practice it right now anymore. The only person who I can think of now is Janelle Monae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_ Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 WELL back to the topic of Hip Hop..Lets talk Nas........Arguably one of the greatest rappers of all-time. He has virtually kept to his roots ("street vibe") his whole career and for that he doesn't have the money or fame of a Jay-Z or P Diddy. But if we're gonna measure success based on money and fame I don't want to be a fan of hip hop anymore. His album "Illmatic" released in 1994 (the year of my birth) and made while he was 18-19 years old is in my opinion the greatest rap album of all time. With his complicated and articulate lyrical style matched with great production, it is easily his greatest achievement or magnus opus if you will. What I also love about him is his longevity. It Was Written, Stillmatic & Life is Good should all be considered in the 50 greatest rap albums of all time.My favorite songs of his most recent album LIfe is Good are:Daughters- Cherry Wine Feat Amy Winehouse- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 WELL back to the topic of Hip Hop..Lets talk Nas........Arguably one of the greatest rappers of all-time. He has virtually kept to his roots ("street vibe") his whole career and for that he doesn't have the money or fame of a Jay-Z or P Diddy. But if we're gonna measure success based on money and fame I don't want to be a fan of hip hop anymore. His album "Illmatic" released in 1994 (the year of my birth) and made while he was 18-19 years old is in my opinion the greatest rap album of all time. With his complicated and articulate lyrical style matched with great production, it is easily his greatest achievement or magnus opus if you will. What I also love about him is his longevity. It Was Written, Stillmatic & Life is Good should all be considered in the 50 greatest rap albums of all time.My favorite songs of his most recent album LIfe is Good are:Daughters- Cherry Wine Feat Amy Winehouse- Nas is a living hip hop legend. He's currently putting out hip hop for grown ups, a pretty new off-shoot of the genre. I've loved NaS every since 1994 (the Queensbridge projects were like 2 miles from where i grew up), and am thrilled to see him get his due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horus Ex Machina Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 Love this little group of interviews with Immortal Technique on the topic of race & hip hop... some well thought-out comments.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horus Ex Machina Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 I've been listening to Goodie Mobs new album again, and I have found a few other tracks that are definitely worth a listen. It took me a bit to kinda pick out the gems bc alot of their sound seemed pretty experimental or too R&B, but there were a few good ones: - This is also a bit of a return to form for T.I. - love the beat and sound on this song. Classic Goodie Mob. Probably one of the few songs that I can say that about on this album. If I could choose one song on this album (this is in the alternate existence that I didn't buy the album already) it would be this one.A couple of non-Goodie Mob recs (some of these are a bit out of my wheelhouse, but they have some good beats): This is super old-school. Almost makes me want to buy this album if everything else is this good. Rick Ross has put out good music in the past but I'm new to this Meek Mill, but THIS SOUNDS LIKE A RECOMMENDATION!!!!!E2A: just listened to a few other tracks and,... yeah this is pretty damn good,... I'm making an album purchase,... highly recommended. I don't know what it is about getting T.I. featured on an a track, but the production just steps up a notch when he's included. This is just with the two songs sampled here. Blurred Lines doesn't count...So here's the deal, get MMG Presents Self Made Volume 2 and you won't be disappointed. Just some good old-fashioned hard core hiphop that I used to think would never sell but this apparently is. Didn't think there was a market for this anymore. There must be some "swag" shit on there somewhere just to get the kids buying. BTW Tupack Back is from Vol.1 so I'm hoping that I'm not putting myself out there, but most of the tracks I'm sampling are on point. I can't believe I didn't get the first one.E2A #2: So I went ahead and got Volume 1 while I was at it. Why not? I saw Wale's and Meek Mill all over it and said... okay. I'm voting with my pocketbook. If they put out music I can listen to, I'll pay for it.One more... Wale goes off in this one. So many great lines.I'm Polamalu, 600 the newest modelMy newest motto to use a condom with newest modelsUhh, got a hundred on the dash, youngYa ain't killers ya'll got hundred yard dash gunsI'm a rare one, camo's and some rare ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiDisaster Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cQ3b0iqLo&feature=player_embedded#t=3 Eminem released "Rap God" today. I didn't like Berzerk at all, but holy shit this song. It gives me hope for the album. I can't believe he brought that Columbine line back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Moff Mithrandir Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 My Name is My Name and I am a Born Sinner, you Oxymoron!That basically sums up my 2013 journey through hip hop, which is not yet at its end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snappedsynapses Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Pusha T Feat. Kendrick Lamar - Nosetalgia Kendricks verse is outstanding imo. BET Hip-Hop Awards Cypher - T.D.E. (ScHoolboy Q, Jay Rock, Ab-Soul, Isaiah Rashad & Kendrick Lamar) Everyone goes in Black Milk - Sundays Best/Mondays Worst I love the Sundays beat. Lil Ugly Mane - Throw Dem Guns This fella is really in his own lane. KA - 30 Pieces of Silver This is why NY rap will always have a place in my heart. Dr. Dre/Tha Dogg Pound - Puffin on Blunts Sippin on Drank Kurupts verse is one of my favourites of all time, just ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_ Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Although alot of the time Odd Future piss me off, there is no doubt these guys have talent:Mellow High - Yu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_uay-1RHCg Also CJ Fly from PRO ERA released his new mixtape a few weeks ago as a free download, I highly recommend it, seriously one of the best hip hop mix-tapes/albums released this year.http://www.datpiff.com/CJ-Fly-Thee-Way-Eye-See-It-mixtape.534368.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snappedsynapses Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Although alot of the time Odd Future piss me off, there is no doubt these guys have talent: Mellow High - Yu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_uay-1RHCg I rate Domo Genesis and that track is real nice. Thanks. Blast Holiday, Tim Jr. & Mike Larry - Gone Enjoying this beat Prodigy - Dough Pildin' - Alchemist killed this beat Anybody listening to Tree? He produces a lot of his own stuff plus he's no slouch on the mic, he's got a couple of free mixtapes floating around the interwebz somewhere, Sunday School 1 & 2 are particularly good. Tree - All Tree - Tree Shit Tone Skeeta Feat. Tree - Trilla n Manilla I love his verse on this, I first found him through his production but he smashed this 16, really on point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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