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Bloom's much too old for Loras now. His youth is a very important part of his character, so I don't think you can just toss that out the window.

And in any case, Loras isn't in the pilot, so we should stick to those characters. :)

I hadn't realized Loras missed the pilot. I immediately withdraw Bloom as a selection for him. And I also forgot the age thing. (I really need to re-read).

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Bloom's much too old for Loras now. His youth is a very important part of his character, so I don't think you can just toss that out the window.

And in any case, Loras isn't in the pilot, so we should stick to those characters. :)

But as Jaime? I'm not sure he could do that; the role is incredibly difficult to play well. From the acting skills I could see David Wenham doing it, but I doubt he'll leave his family in Australia for extended periods of time - and the hints don't seem to fit, either.

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I hadn't realized Loras missed the pilot. I immediately withdraw Bloom as a selection for him. And I also forgot the age thing. (I really need to re-read).

Do we know for sure they only cast the pilot?

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But the Lost Legion wouldn't fit with 'change History'.

In fact, it already did. :P

Ha. The movie's depiction of historical events is dubious and the second half is pure fantasy (where Ben Kingsley turns out to be Merlin), but the bit with Orestes relying too heavily on mercenaries, not paying them and them getting pissed off, teaming up with Odoacer and then overthrowing the Roman Empire is broadly (if you squint a bit) accurate ;) Arguably if Orestes had handled things better, the Roman Empire's downfall could have been delayed by a few years which would have changed history. Ah, and Kevin McKidd was also in Legion.

I am actually far more certain it is Kingdom of Heaven that is being talked about, I just thought it was amusing he was also in that quite bad film which somehow had tons of really good actors.

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Actually, Bernard Hill has played William of Orange in something called "The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse" (??!! whatever that is) and Theseus in a Spanish production of "A Midsummer Nights Dream" (if that counts).

You've never seen The League of Gentleman? Classic series. Sort of like Monty Python if all the sketches took place in the same town and all the characters recurred and met one another. Very dark, very twisted. At its best (the first season) brilliant, at its worst (during the third season), quite unpleasent.

I don't think the film counts though, as he may have been William of Orange but it wasn't a historical movie. IIRC, the world was about to be destroyed and the League of Gentleman characters ended up doing time travel and meeting historical figures and the show's real-life production team (it went very metafictional at times).

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Do we know for sure they only cast the pilot?

They might have lists for the other characters, even mentioned it to a select few, but they won't do audiences, and no contracts will be signed. So that pretty much rules out any official casting of characters not in the pilot.

Also Nikolaj Coster-Waldau was perhaps a long time in the running for Jaime, as he himself hinted at the possibility of this role in an interview. This would make him in the forefront of GRRMs mind.

From the interview:

John: Assuming Virtuality goes no further than the movie we see on June 26th, do you have any other potential TV or movie roles lined up in the near future here in the US?

Nikolaj: I hope to start shooting in the fall. Can't be more specific.

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Arguably if Orestes had handled things better, the Roman Empire's downfall could have been delayed by a few years which would have changed history.

It would only work if Odovacar was killed. Or maybe one of the many Saxon kings running around in Britain at the time, but I doubt that would have changed much, or Jaime needed to have killed more of the lot than Arthur ever managed. :D

Yeah, for a Roman specialist like me, Lost Legion and King Arthur were movies to throw things at if I didn't like my TV (never bothered to watch them in the theatre), but both had some pretty good actors.

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They might have lists for the other characters, even mentioned it to a select few, but they won't do audiences, and no contracts will be signed. So that pretty much rules out any official casting of characters not in the pilot.

Also Nikolaj Coster-Waldau was perhaps a long time in the running for Jaime, as he himself hinted at the possibility of this role in an interview. This would make him in the forefront of GRRMs mind.

From the interview:

John: Assuming Virtuality goes no further than the movie we see on June 26th, do you have any other potential TV or movie roles lined up in the near future here in the US?

Nikolaj: I hope to start shooting in the fall. Can't be more specific.

Not to be a downer, but I believe the pilot/series is being filmed in Ireland and Morocco.

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Not to be a downer, but I believe the pilot/series is being filmed in Ireland and Morocco.

I think the "here in the US" means a US TV series, instead of say, a Danish TV series. He does quite some Danish films, so it's more a reference to intended audience instead of filming location.

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I don't think Barristan is mentioned in the script, but I could very easily see him being included in the King's entourage that travels north. I think only Jaime among the King's Guard is mentioned, but I imagine that if the entire royal family goes north to Winterfell, most if not ALL of the King's Guard will accompany them.

Edit: actually, the script obliquely mentions the King's Guard as "knights in snow-white cloaks" who flank Robert as he makes his entrance.

The only problem with Barristan being in the pilot is this: in the book, Selmy and Renly meet with the party to form an "honor-guard" on the Kingsroad, along with Ilyn Payne. It's in the Sansa chapter - she was all scared of Payne, and had to guess who Renly was - the only reason I remember this is because I'm rereading now.

I suppose they could change it, of course, and having not read the leaked pilot, I have no idea - but my best guess is the knight cast was Ser Jorah, and Iain Glen seems to be the most plausible guess. High five to Yags for getting that one right away.

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Now, is Ser Barristan in the pilot or not?

I thought he should be (since the king, the queen, and the princes are around) , but perhpas just in the background without saying much.

some people suggested he is not in the pilot at all. Is there evidence of that in the books?

Ser barristan stay in King's Landing when the royal families travel North. He rides with Renly to meet then in they descending from winterfell at riverlands as a honor guard on the first Sansa Pov. So No Ser barristan the bold in the pilot...Our ser is Ser Jorah

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So, three other well known actors from the movie "Mountains of the Moon":

Could someone explain how a movie called mountains of the moon could have something to do with Georges clue. I admit it is a very cryptic clue, and I can´t really make sense of it. But it is talking about mountains in westeros, not on the moon. But how can the actor know mountains in a fictional land, while his character don´t know them. It don´t make a lick of sense.

People seem to assume that the actor hinted at played the king. But all it says it that he went to war with the character played by the actor cast as Jaime, and if the actor cast as Jaime had been a kingslayer then, he would have changed history. He might just have played another participant in said war. It dosn´t sound to me like he played the king.

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Ser barristan stay in King's Landing when the royal families travel North. He rides with Renly to meet then in they descending from winterfell at riverlands as a honor guard on the first Sansa Pov. So No Ser barristan the bold in the pilot...Our ser is Ser Jorah

That's the sort of plot detail that could easily be changed. Having Barristan go north with the King wouldn't change any essential plot point.

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Could someone explain how a movie called mountains of the moon could have something to do with Georges clue. I admit it is a very cryptic clue, and I can´t really make sense of it. But it is talking about mountains in westeros, not on the moon. But how can the actor know mountains in a fictional land, while his character don´t know them. It don´t make a lick of sense.

People seem to assume that the actor hinted at played the king. But all it says it that he went to war with the character played by the actor cast as Jaime, and if the actor cast as Jaime had been a kingslayer then, he would have changed history. He might just have played another participant in said war. It dosn´t sound to me like he played the king.

Moutains of the Moon is the na me of the moutains in the high road...só, if the actor was in a film with taht name the actor "knows" the place but he character "Jorah" never set a foot there been from far north.

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Could someone explain how a movie called mountains of the moon could have something to do with Georges clue. I admit it is a very cryptic clue, and I can´t really make sense of it. But it is talking about mountains in westeros, not on the moon. But how can the actor know mountains in a fictional land, while his character don´t know them. It don´t make a lick of sense.

The Mountains of the Moon are in Westeros, in the Eyrie?

Did I misread you?

Quiet Wolf, get out of my head! I posted the Barristan thing first, now you post about Mountains of the Moon. Just...stop already, ok? :P

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That's the sort of plot detail that could easily be changed. Having Barristan go north with the King wouldn't change any essential plot point.

Nor is there any reason to do so, unless they have someone really recognizable. Otherwise it's just one more face the viewer might have to remember.

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Could someone explain how a movie called mountains of the moon could have something to do with Georges clue. I admit it is a very cryptic clue, and I can´t really make sense of it. But it is talking about mountains in westeros, not on the moon. But how can the actor know mountains in a fictional land, while his character don´t know them. It don´t make a lick of sense.

The Mountains of the Moon are the mountains encircling the Vale of Arryn, home to the mountain clans who help Tyrion and the location of the Bloody Gate.

People seem to assume that the actor hinted at played the king. But all it says it that he went to war with the character played by the actor cast as Jaime, and if the actor cast as Jaime had been a kingslayer then, he would have changed history. He might just have played another participant in said war. It dosn´t sound to me like he played the king.

True.

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Gabriele,

Regarding Kingdom of Heaven, you should check out the director's cut. It's a vastly superior film. Long, yes, but by editing back in all of the cut scenes and subplots, it makes a lot more sense.

For example, the "village sherrif" (our possible Jaime) was actually Godfrey's nephew. It kind of makes that scene a lot more tragic...

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Moutains of the Moon is the na me of the moutains in the high road...só, if the actor was in a film with taht name the actor "knows" the place but he character "Jorah" never set a foot there been from far north.

Of course. Thanks for that. I am a bit tired at the moment. Been in front of the computer way to much lately. Kind believe I forgot that.

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