Mafia 69.33: A mini-minigame

[Gertrude]

If you have a reason to suspect WJ that doesn't smack of OMGUS, I'd be willing to entertain it. Sadly, we are coming down to the wire and I don't see anything swinging other than towards you. I think Malc voted you because he saw no other options at this late hour. I hate the feeling of being strong armed into a lynch, but there it is - we might have been able to swing towards Reddy, but that time is probably past.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if we go with a no lynch today, do we really lose anything? If we lynch and NK each day, day 4 dawns with 2 players meaning we had 3 chances to lynch the FM. If we don't lynch today, and then lose a player to lynch and NK from then on, we have day 4 starting with 3 players, so we don't lose a lynch opportunity.

Someone tell me why not lynching someone today is a bad thing, and I will be back in a bit. I'm not sure I like pushing this lynch through because there was hardly any discussion and I don't feel good about how it's going down.

eta: to clarify - I don't like how Piper's second vote made this lynch almost an inevitability because of the timing and lack of activity. Second vote people - it just doesn't sit right.

[The Man Who]

If you have a reason to suspect WJ that doesn't smack of OMGUS, I'd be willing to entertain it. Sadly, we are coming down to the wire and I don't see anything swinging other than towards you. I think Malc voted you because he saw no other options at this late hour. I hate the feeling of being strong armed into a lynch, but there it is - we might have been able to swing towards Reddy, but that time is probably past.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but if we go with a no lynch today, do we really lose anything? If we lynch and NK each day, day 4 dawns with 2 players meaning we had 3 chances to lynch the FM. If we don't lynch today, and then lose a player to lynch and NK from then on, we have day 4 starting with 3 players, so we don't lose a lynch opportunity.

Someone tell me why not lynching someone today is a bad thing, and I will be back in a bit. I'm not sure I like pushing this lynch through because there was hardly any discussion and I don't feel good about how it's going down.

eta: to clarify - I don't like how Piper's second vote made this lynch almost an inevitability because of the timing and lack of activity. Second vote people - it just doesn't sit right.

I don't have points against WJ that are anywhere near strong enought ot expend energy on - just suspicions mainly. Looking at my current vote train, it really does seem to be the 'usual suspects'.

Odd-even rule says we are fine with a no lynch today, but it means that the possible BP would be less useful I think.

I don't think it is a bad option to take for today, especially as it is my butt on the line.

[ubermensch]

Eh. Day ends soon. And i have no idea who to vote. I'm off to college now, and I'll try to log on from there and place my vote in the last few mins. I'll copy the thread on my cellphone and do a few re-reads until then.

[Gertrude]

Bleah - no one is really trying to derail your lynch (except me) unless you count indifference/absence as a legitimate deflection technique.

Don't have a clue what's up with Reddy, but I would love to have him check in soon. It's not like him

Not sure I like that May is withholding a vote from TMW, who she said she suspected.

Screw it, I'm not placing a vote on TMW. If it goes through tonight, it goes through without me. Peace out.

[Gertrude]

Totally random, crappy thought - shouldn't WJ have been asking for some healing love at some point tonight? That is, unless he knows he's not on the chopping block ...

[House Targaryen]

25 minutes. Just a friendly reminder, though it seems unlikely to spur any action just now. :sleep:

[May]

Gertrude has me uneasy about placing a vote and risking an innocent lynch. The problem is that without lynching the FM we can't win the game. I don't see any particular reason for holding off now, we'll be in the same situation tomorrow anyway. So, sorry if I'm mistaken The Man Who, looks like you may stay alive regardless

[Gertrude]

I have no suspicions of my own, but I think case on TMW looks slightly better than everything else. Probably because WJ made it.

This particular line bothers me. Malc, you usually have some opinions and they often buck the trend. I don't like seeing you in the mode of a follower, especially since you admit the case holds a bit more weight because WJ made it. Grrr ... problem with being able to use meta info is that it can lead you astray so easily. I'm not seeing what I 'expect' to see, yet it was a very slow day 1, so it's hard with such a small sample. Altless changes the dynamic too. People play differently when they know they can be themselves and not be misunderstood/outed/whatever.

[Gertrude]

If we hold off on a lynch today, we won't lose an opportunity to lynch the FM. Barring something unforseen, we get the same number of chances to lynch bad men whether we start today or tomorrow. We'd just have more info if we waited til tomorrow.

We can have only 1 incorrect lynch no matter how it goes down tonight.

[House Targaryen]

2 minutes. I'd update the vote count but I don't have time.

ETA: for all the use it will be.

It is day 1.

8 players remain: Gertrude, HT Reddy, May, Piper of Chaos, The Man Who, TheMalcolm, Whiskeyjack, ubermensch.

5 votes are needed for a conviction or 4 to go to night.

4 votes for The Man Who (Whiskeyjack, Piper of Chaos, TheMalcolm, May)

1 vote for Whiskeyjack (HT Reddy)

1 vote for HT Reddy (Gertrude)

2 players have not voted: The Man Who, ubermensch.

[House Targaryen]

And, time's up.

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If you remember where our story left off our Moddess, who, we are led to believe, was beautiful, brilliant, skilled, highly intelligent, wonderful, and in no way encumbered by modesty, was attempting to lead the Westerosi mafia community to a brave new world of butterflies and socialism. All she required was a likely group of people willing lynch one another with little or no provocation and to hell with the facts. Unfortunately what she got was troupe of reprobates easily distracted by pirates.

As chance would have it, before conversation could turn seriously toward lynching, a pirate ship sailed into view. Whiskeyjack, surveying the ship, declared from the depths of his nautical wisdom that Vikings were obviously superior to pirates and that even a ninja was better to have if things got hairy (though presumably not at sea as the salty air fades a crisp black outfit like nobody’s business). Zombies, he allowed, were the next best thing to useless, though if you tied a lot of them together you could make a nifty raft. The Man Who point out that Whiskeyjack was, in fact, insane and that a good pirate would pwn a crappy old Viking any day of the week. May was wishy-washy on the subject of pirates, and Piper let it be known that werewolves were swell.

At that instant the discussion was interrupted as Vikings, zombies, pirates, and ninja poured into the thread. The ensuing melee was so epic as to defy simple prose description and could really only be done justice through the medium of sock puppetry. Suffice to say that swashes were buckled, brains eaten, damsels pillaged, and clothing of a modest and understated shade of black worn.

There were no werewolves.

As the dust settled, the players realised that they had next to no time left to choose of victim.

“So,” said the Man Who, “who shall we lynch?”

“How about you?” suggested Whiskeyjack.

“How about we don’t lynch anybody, and all just get along,” suggested Gertrude.

“Absolutely!” said the Man Who. “Let’s do that.”

And so that’s what they did.

And everyone knows that dragons are better than any number of pirate ninja viking zombies!

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Nobody's lynched. It is night. Send your PMs

[Gertrude]

Sweet- I got pillaged.

[Piper of Chaos]

Shit, I really thought the day would last a bit longer. :dunce:

I'm online for one more hour and have to leave then for a while. Will catch up with the thread now. :read:

[House Targaryen]

Day dawned on the troubled little Westerosi mafia community and with it came a renewed sense of optimism. There was no problem that the plucky little group couldn’t overcome together if they kept their minds on the job. And really, what were the odds of pirates floating through the thread two days in a row?

But as they met for a breakfast of croissants and orange juice, they realise that one of their number was missing. They ran into the bedroom, but all they found was an empty bed and a note.

“Dear Mafia Gang,” it said, “it’s been a blast playing with you all, but during the night I had an epiphany. There’s a whole real world out there, brimming with things to do, with no pressure to do rereads or support my accusations with quotes. I’m going to take up water polo and build a model railway! Just think how wonderful it will all be. Love always, Gert.”

On closer inspection they found flyers and brochures scattered by the bed. Gertrude hadn't made the decision to leave the mafia community on her own. She had been coerced into joining the big bad real world by malign forces. Gazing upon the refuse of Gert’s mafia life, your resolve hardened. The evil creatures who committed this crime must be caught.

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Gertrude was Gertrude (who wasn’t a ninja but only played one on tv).

SPOILER: She was

innocent! ... obviously.

[Piper of Chaos]

Gert - it was a joke. I'm kind of surprised that you of all people took that so seriously.

Malc, I'll let you in on a little secret - I've modded a few games where the role distribution wasn't random. I don't think all mods necessarily follow that rule.

The latter is true. I don't think that both Uber and May are FM, but one of them might be, why not?

And the joke thing - you surely did wait for reactions, so I don't really buy that you were that surprised to get some odd responses..

ETA: just realized that the joke was about Reddy the Pooper :blush:

[House Targaryen]

It is day 2.

7 players remain: HT Reddy, May, Piper of Chaos, The Man Who, TheMalcolm, Whiskeyjack, ubermensch.

4 votes are needed for a conviction or to go to night.

7 players have not voted: HT Reddy, May, Piper of Chaos, The Man Who, TheMalcolm, Whiskeyjack, ubermensch.

[Piper of Chaos]

Hmmmh, now I have to try to figure out what the Gert kill means*. :unsure:

Let's not forget tat the FM have a voting block of two, so don't pile up to two votes at anyone too early, kay?

* beside that I cannot flirt with her anymore

[Piper of Chaos]

Defensive, me?

I haven't had anything to be defensive about.

I also think some people are reading a little too deeply into my posts, when I haven't posted one serious post over the course of this game, which is probably the best point against me at the moment.

All the other points against me are blatantly wrong, contrived or insane.

That is all.

For me, personally, as of myself, I am leaning most strongly towards WJ being guilty but I've learned from previous unalted games that there's basically bugger all chance of getting any traction on that. I don't think WJ has been playing like himself much at all.

It's hard to say with any great certainty who to pick up on, because, like me, most people have not had too much serious to say.

What do you think about Malcolm and me? What about Reddy?

[TheMalcolm]

Ok; Gert was the only player not suspected at all; it's might be satisfying reason to kill her. She refused to vote TMW, this makes his position much better. She suspected Reddy and, in lesser degree, me; and the end of day she started questioning WJ.

For now, I want ubermensh to answer why he haven't axed TMW.

[Piper of Chaos]

Somehow it's strange - Gert prevented a lynch basing on poor logic, but still the FM decided to kill her. :unsure:

Still have to think about the kill, but I can already say that it makes WJ looking better.

1) I fully believe that he is annoyed about the lack of participation.

2) Gert had been one of those who tried to stir some discussion.

1) + 2) makes me fairly sure that WJ wouldn't have killed Gert.

All right, looks like I have already some ideas:

Who had a reason to kill Gert?

1) Malcolm - because Gert always suspects him and in almost every game tries to lynch him.

2) n00bs - because no n00b was killed. Either the killers are softies who don't want new players to die*, or one of them is a n00b, and the FM want to keep the other one as a cover (and of course a n00b is always lynchable - which might be a general explanation why they haven't been killed).

3) HT Reddy - after all, Gert gave us some clear signals that she was interested in lynching him.

* but Gert is dead