Aussies XLVIII

[Stubby]

St Kilda now 2nd favourite for wooden spoon in AFL.

There were only small bets matched this morning but the betting exchange’s odds suggest an implication the unbeaten Saints could also be embroiled in the Melbourne Storm salary cap rort.

Storm’s former CEO Brian Waldron was St Kilda CEO before he changed codes.

This is starting to get nasty.

[Ski the Swift]

My theory so far is that the NRL decided to turn a blind eye to what was going on down in Melbourne, thinking that if they had a great team and performed well that would garner a lot of support from down south.

I'm also of the belief that was the same thing they did for the Broncos.

P.S: May it be noted I hate the Storm and Broncos with a passion =P

[Dr Adder]

On the radio I heard the NRL has known for at least a year that the Melbourne Storm salary cap stank like the Sydney fish markets but couldn't prove any instances of wrong doing, but have only recently gathered conclusive evidence of breaches.

P.S

In another sad event, the owner of Silverstone Events David Edwards, that put on the excellent Classic Adelaide Rally has nicked off with all the money, more info can be found here

[Horza]

This is our own little version of Calciopoli, pity NRL doesn't have pro-rel...

I was listening to 2GB all day (work related) and they were furious with the Storm for breaking the heart of little Melbourne league kiddies everywhere and soaking all the oxygen out of their Rudd-bashing.

[adamsputnik]

St Kilda now 2nd favourite for wooden spoon in AFL.

This is starting to get nasty.

Sounds like a speculative plunge to me. Though, of all the clubs for this to involve, it would be truly lolworthy if the Saints got hit. I suppose they have no flags to strip them of. 1966 was too long ago ;)

[Stubby]

Sounds like a speculative plunge to me. Though, of all the clubs for this to involve, it would be truly lolworthy if the Saints got hit. I suppose they have no flags to strip them of. 1966 was too long ago ;)

Heh.

I see the bookies have suspended betting on the wooden spoon market in light of this development.

[gryphon strike]

Sounds like a speculative plunge to me. Though, of all the clubs for this to involve, it would be truly lolworthy if the Saints got hit. I suppose they have no flags to strip them of. 1966 was too long ago ;)

Sorry not a flag, this is AFL not VFL

something Victoria needs to wake up about. flags gained before the AFL do not count as premierships in the AFL Tally.

Great Collingwood has 10 VFL preimerships but it doesn't have one AFL premiership

[Rinzy]

Sorry not a flag, this is AFL not VFL

something Victoria needs to wake up about. flags gained before the AFL do not count as premierships in the AFL Tally.

Great Collingwood has 10 VFL preimerships but it doesn't have one AFL premiership

Collingwood actually have 14 premierships in total, the last of which was the inaugural AFL premiership in 1990. Unfortunately...

[adamsputnik]

Sorry not a flag, this is AFL not VFL

something Victoria needs to wake up about. flags gained before the AFL do not count as premierships in the AFL Tally.

Great Collingwood has 10 VFL preimerships but it doesn't have one AFL premiership

The VFL became the AFL. Sure, teams came and went. But the reality of it is that the competition merely underwent a name change. Therefore the history of the VFL became the history of the AFL, like it or not.

I'll be rather unhappy if someone tries to take those six other flags off Geelong :fencing:

[gryphon strike]

The VFL became the AFL. Sure, teams came and went. But the reality of it is that the competition merely underwent a name change. Therefore the history of the VFL became the history of the AFL, like it or not.

I'll be rather unhappy if someone tries to take those six other flags off Geelong :fencing:

No it didn't just undergo a name change.

VFL was controlled by clubs they signed that away to the AFL. Teams from other states got involved and dominated the competition for the last 2 decades despite blatant cheating byt the organisers.

Face it most of the best footballers who played in the VFL came from interstate.

Victoria sucks at aussie rules, sorry but thats what it boils down to and the fact they cannot admit it :P

[Dr Adder]

With ANZAC Day coming up have any of you had relatives that have served in the armed forces?

One of my relatives, Horace Knox, DFM, DFC, served in squadron 460 as air gunner. accumulating 1000 hours in the air I find it amazing he survived particularly as he was the one sitting in the rear gunner position in the lancaster bombers, waiting for the german aircraft the shoot the hell out of his position.

[brook]

My grandmother and her sister finally succeeded this year in having their fathers death, shortly after WW1 as a war-related death. He was gassed in France and died of issues related to that 2 years after coming home but until now had never been classified as a war death.

It means a lot to them so its nice to see it happen after so many years.

[Dr Adder]

man brook, injuries and complications arising from gassing were/are pretty nasty as I recall from my Modern History class from school.

[adamsputnik]

No it didn't just undergo a name change.

VFL was controlled by clubs they signed that away to the AFL. Teams from other states got involved and dominated the competition for the last 2 decades despite blatant cheating byt the organisers.

Face it most of the best footballers who played in the VFL came from interstate.

Victoria sucks at aussie rules, sorry but thats what it boils down to and the fact they cannot admit it :P

Looks like a croweater, sounds like a croweater, must be a croweater ;)

Don't be silly. I think if we did a comprehensive survey of the best footballers, most of them would be from Victoria. Simple demographics :P

I would have to look more at the history of the VFL/AFL changeover to make a more comprehensive analysis, but the simple fact to me is that the VFL teams that existed remained in the AFL and retained their history from pre-AFL times, according to the AFL. You can chop and change premierships all you like, the simple fact of the matter is that the AFL recognises VFL premierships. It does not recognise the SANFL premierships of Port Adelaide, as they moved from a different competition.

[Paxter]

With ANZAC Day coming up have any of you had relatives that have served in the armed forces?

One of my relatives, Horace Knox, DFM, DFC, served in squadron 460 as air gunner. accumulating 1000 hours in the air I find it amazing he survived particularly as he was the one sitting in the rear gunner position in the lancaster bombers, waiting for the german aircraft the shoot the hell out of his position.

ANZAC Day has always been a little weird for me - my grandfather served in the armed forces, but it was for Fascist Italy. Like many of his Italian compatriots, he was captured by the Russians and sent to a Soviet camp, probably sometime in 1942. He told his children (my mum and her brothers and sisters) a few stories of his days in the camps: apparently he scored a job as a baker and used to try and smuggle out extra food for his friends. He was always reluctant to talk about the war though.

[Paxter]

This is a bit of a tie-in to MinD's thread about nationalism - nationalism and patriotism rear their ugly heads again.

[Ski the Swift]

Anyone dawn servicing tomorrow?

[Dr Adder]

naw, I'm heading up to Lithgow to watch the jousting at Iron Fest.

[Stubby]

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;

Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.

At the going down of the sun and in the morning

We will remember them.

.......

Lest we forget.

[Ski the Swift]

Just returned from the Dawn Service, even though it was flogging down rain hundreds of people turned up.

Lest we forget.