Ser Nevarc Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 A question regarding Westerosi measurements:How much weight is a "stone".For example, "_________ weighed fifteen stone!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Is it still fiercely debated about what happened to Balon?I just reached this part in ASoS which seemed very interesting:"I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings." Spoken by the 'ghost' of High Heart in the same bit where she prophecises Catelyn's fate and also correctly states that a shadow born of R'hllor killed Renly. This leads me to conclude that a Faceless Man in Euron's employ did indeed kill Balon before the former returned to Pyke. I know that this was a very popular theory, but I'd forgotten there was this piece of evidence backing it up. A question regarding Westerosi measurements:How much weight is a "stone".For example, "_________ weighed fifteen stone!"A stone in the books is presumably what a stone is in real life. About 14 pounds or 6.3 kg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Nevarc Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 A stone in the books is presumably what a stone is in real life. About 14 pounds or 6.3 kg.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnv Posted January 15, 2010 Share Posted January 15, 2010 during the kingsmoot in AFFC some low ranked iron men house calimed they know of great lands bla bladid they mean the eastern shore of the eatern continent or a entire continent we have yet to have heard of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Tyrion's wildlings were hated by the civilians in Kings Landing. Was it simply because the people were bigots and the wildlings were different, or were the wildlings raping and murdering at their leisure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 Timett killed a guy for allegedly cheating at dices. And got away with it. Shagga (I quote) "wants every whore in this city of whores". Tyrion thinks: And why would I ever need your Allar Deem, Lord Slynt? Tyrion thought. I have a hundred of my own. (Deem is the guy who killed Barra and her mother iirc)I don't think they were murdering and raping at their leisure, but then again even Gregor's men are not raping and murdering at their leisure. They are just scum. It's not all culture shock, they deserve being hated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon23 Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 during the kingsmoot in AFFC some low ranked iron men house calimed they know of great lands bla bladid they mean the eastern shore of the eatern continent or a entire continent we have yet to have heard of?We do not know. They could be telling fairy tales, they may believe in a western passage to the lands of the Jade Sea ans Asshai by Shadow, they could be talking about undiscovered lands.GRRM has said that no one has yet sailed across the Sunset Sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnv Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 is the ASOIAF world larger then our earth then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 That's what George has said. It's not Big Planet big (Jack Vance SF novel that George mentioned when discussing this topic), but it's somewhat larger than the Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted January 16, 2010 Share Posted January 16, 2010 I don't think they were murdering and raping at their leisure, but then again even Gregor's men are not raping and murdering at their leisure. They are just scum. It's not all culture shock, they deserve being hated.Leisure was of course a mild exaggeration but I thought so. I'd forgotten the whores comment but I definitely had the sense that criminal acts were being committed, especially since Ser Jacelyn tells Tyrion that the Kings Landers say that he's loosed savages on them and the people threw dung at them while they were being chased off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarecrow Posted January 17, 2010 Share Posted January 17, 2010 Timett killed a guy for allegedly cheating at dices. And got away with it. Shagga (I quote) "wants every whore in this city of whores". Tyrion thinks: And why would I ever need your Allar Deem, Lord Slynt? Tyrion thought. I have a hundred of my own. (Deem is the guy who killed Barra and her mother iirc)I always thought that Tyrion was referring to Bronn and his mercenaries rather than to the wildlings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schpat Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I always thought that Tyrion was referring to Bronn and his mercenaries rather than to the wildlings.I agree, tyrion is thinking of Bron. Remeber Bron would not kill a babe at a mother's breast without question, he's ask how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexia Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I always thought that Tyrion was referring to Bronn and his mercenaries rather than to the wildlings.Do the books ever mention when Bronn starts hiring his mercenaries? That was one of Tyrion's very first chapters (maybe the second?) and I didn't think Bronn had hired his sellswords yet.Tyrion is obviously thinking of Bronn but I also thought the 100 referred to the rest of his sworn men who were the wildlings at the time, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarecrow Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Do the books ever mention when Bronn starts hiring his mercenaries? That was one of Tyrion's very first chapters (maybe the second?) and I didn't think Bronn had hired his sellswords yet.Tyrion is obviously thinking of Bronn but I also thought the 100 referred to the rest of his sworn men who were the wildlings at the time, no?I could be mistaken, but I guess it was after Tyrion asked Bronn about hiring those mercenaries; "if one of them kills me, you will know that's the man you're looking for" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Tyrion is obviously thinking of Bronn but I also thought the 100 referred to the rest of his sworn men who were the wildlings at the time, no?I thought so too - he's definitely thinking of Timmett in particular. Though I think he had some more positive views of some of them, like Chella. (I wonder if they'll ever turn up again - they're supposed to have melted away into the Kingswood.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hnv Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 how did the poorly equiped mountain clans survived 8000 years in the shadow of the arynns?I would assume soem vale king must have set out to root them at osme point in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 how did the poorly equiped mountain clans survived 8000 years in the shadow of the arynns?I would assume soem vale king must have set out to root them at osme point in timereally harsh terrain that no one much wanted, i think. its a huge area with only one road! Maybe its even nominally owned by some vale houses, on paper, but they can't levy taxes and they can't plant anything there, so why bother? The Vale also seems to be a bit isolationist, and what trade it has goes by sea through Gulltown, so that one road being 'guarded' by the clansmen probably works for them as just another informal aspect of their defence strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Look at our own history. Fierce independent tribals in mountainous areas -- Afghanistan, say -- are the subject of attempts to root them out of the mountains and/or "civilize" them for centuries, and generally it doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schpat Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 Look at our own history. Fierce independent tribals in mountainous areas -- Afghanistan, say -- are the subject of attempts to root them out of the mountains and/or "civilize" them for centuries, and generally it doesn't work.True, the Scotts are another fine example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Storm Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I think they were OK with the clans just as long they did not cause too much trouble. Also, I think the Targs liked the idea of some clans giving the Arynns trouble in the mountains especially once they lost their dragons. If the Arynns rebelled, it would be hard if not imposable for the Targs to take them back. With the clans there too help, the Targs could keep an eye on the Arynns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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