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I wonder if its better to read others responses first or not. I have, and its sparked some "doh!"s, but now i'm wondering what they've shoved out.

Childhoods End - Arthur C. Clarke

Hyperion - Dan Simmons

Doomsday Book - Connie Willis

ASOIAF - GRRM

Iron Council - China Meiville

Snow Crash - Neil Stepehenson

Cloud Atlas - David Mitchell

A Hundred Years of Solitude - Gabriel Garcia Marquez

The City and the City - China Meiville

The Yiddish Policemens Union - Michael Chabon

The Blue Mountain - Meir Shalev (Hebrew - רומן רוסי)

1984 - George Orwell

Temeraire - Naomi Novik

Market Forces - Richard K. Morgan

Roger Zelazny - Amber

Chasm City - Alastair Reynolds

A Deepness in the Sky - Vernor Vinge

Assassin Trilogy - Robin Hobb

The Thief of Time - Pratchett

Prisoner of Azkhaban - J.K. Rowling

I think i've tended towards populism, but i'm going with books that have achieved what they were going for rather than one's that reached higher but fell short.

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The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien

Silmarillion - Tolkien

Thomas Covenant series - Stephen Donaldson

A Song of Ice and Fire - G.R.R. Martin

The Prince of Nothing - R. Scott Bakker

Malazan Book of the Fallen - Steven Erikson

The Wizard Knight - Gene Wolfe

Realm of the Elderlings sequence (The Farseer, The Liveship Traders, The Tawny Man) - Robin Hobb

The Eternal Champion sequence (Elric, Corum, Erekosë, Hawkmoon, von Bek) - Michael Moorcock

The Dying Earth series - Jack Vance

Lyonesse trilogy - Vance

Dune - Frank Herbert

Dreamsongs - G.R.R. Martin

Ender's Game - Orson Scott Card

Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny

Heroes Die - Matthew Woodring Stover

Tigana - Guy Gavriel Kay

Discworld series - Terry Pratchett

The Riddle-Master trilogy - Patricia A. McKillip

The Anubis Gates - Tim Powers

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Lord of Light - Roger Zelazny

The Dying of the Light - GRRM

ASOIAF - GRRM

The Gap series - Steven Donaldson

The Scar - China Meiville

LotR - JRR Tolkien

The Amber Chronicles - Roger Zelazny

Use of Weapons - Iain M. Banks

Altered Carbon - Richard Morgan

Farseer Trilogy - Robin Hobb

Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card

The Long Price Quartet - Daniel Abraham

Dune - Frank Herbert

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas Adams

Snow Crash - Neal Stephenson

Small Gods - Terry Pratchett

The Demolished Man - Alfred Bester

The Forever War - Joe Haldeman

The Prince of Nothing series - R. Scott Bakker

Wild Cards - Various

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The Book of the New Sun - Gene Wolfe

Tigana - Guy Gavriel Kay

Cugel's Saga - Jack Vance

Archer's Goon - Diana Wynne Jones

ASoIaF - GRRM

The Lions of Al-Rassan - Guy Gavriel Kay

Little, Big - John Crowley

The Island of Doctor Death and Other Stories and Other Stories - Gene Wolfe

The Seven Citadels - Geraldine Harris

Ficciones - Jorge Luis Borges

The Bridge - Iain Banks

The Iron-Dragon's Daughter - Michael Swanwick

Winter's Tale - Mark Helprin

Peace - Gene Wolfe

Magic for Beginners - Kelly Link

The Unconquered Country - Geoff Ryman

Bridge of Birds - Barry Hughart

Fire and Hemlock - Diana Wynne Jones

Stations of the Tide - Michael Swanwick

China Mountain Chang - Maureen F. McHugh

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What?? Somebody's read my blog? Good gods... if I knew that was going to happen, I'd have actually put some worthwhile content on it at some point...

Luwin: but you can READ a graphic novel, but not a Total Art Work. So if you want to put the LIBRETTO from the ring, I'm fine with that, but not the music. Or you can put the music, but only by saying that the score is worth reading (which I suppose some people might think - personally, although I can sight-read, I can't just hear the music in my head by looking at the notes, like some people can).

Likewise, you can put, if you really want, the written script for a film, or for a play, but not the film itself, or the performance of it.

Hope that's clear and doesn't seem entirely arbitrary. Basically, I think people should be able to push boundaries, but it's essentially about reading, and I don't want lists where the top four are The Dark Knight, the Burj Khalifa, Tracy Emin's Bed and the Goldberg Variations.

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I also don't think magic realism, allegorical fiction or old style children's book (as opposed to post-Harry Potter YA) should be considered fantasy, so no Marquez, Kafka or Alice in Wonderland appear in my list as well.

And yet your list is topped by The Master and Margarita. Just sayin'.

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The Orphan's Tales duology - Catherynne M Valente

Stories of your Life and Others - Ted Chiang

ASoIaF - GRRM

The Day of the Triffids - John Wyndham

Against A Dark Background - Iain M Banks

LotR - Tolkien

The Gap series - Stephen Donaldson

The Lyonesse Trilogy - Jack Vance

Cryptonomicon - Neal Stephenson

Night Watch - Pratchett

Hyperion - Dan Simmons

The Dark Is Rising sequence - Susan Cooper

Good Omens - Neil Gaiman & Terry Pratchett

It - Stephen King

Earthsea trilogy - Ursula le Guin

Deadhouse Gates - Steven Erikson

Last Argument of Kings - Joe Abercrombie

The Female Man - Joanna Russ

Watchmen - Alan Moore

Vellum - Hal Duncan

(I'm hoping the Chiang counts as it's short stories rather than a novel, but what the hell :))

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And yet your list is topped by The Master and Margarita. Just sayin'.

Well, you have to put the border somewhere. I usually decide on basis whether a given book elicits willing suspension of disbelief - which of course is individual thing. OTOH, this forces me to admit The Cyberiad is far more problematic case than The Master and Margarita, and if it was written not by Stanislaw Lem but by some author not usually associated with SpecFic I probably would disqualify it.

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Ender’s Game – Orson Scott Card

Watchmen – Alan Moore

The Road – Cormac McCarthy

Song of Ice and Fire – GRRM

1984 – George Orwell

Prince of Nothing – R Scott Bakker

Dune – Frank Herbert

Wheel of Time – Robert Jordan

Flowers for Algernon - Daniel Keyes

Handmaid’s Tale – Margaret Atwood

Lord of the Flies – William Golding

I Am Legend – Richard Matheson

The Stand – Stephen King

Slaughterhouse Five – Kurt Vonnegut

First Law – Joe Abercrombie

Starship Troopers – Robert Heinlein

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? – Phillip K Dick

Neuromancer – William Gibson

The Mote in God’s Eye – Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

Life of Pi – Yann Martel

Good lists so far. The Clockwork Orange and Gene Wolfe are getting more love than I expected. Not being able to put Sci-Fi short stories threw me off, otherwise I'd definitely have Nightfall and Nine Billion Names of God.

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Luwin: but you can READ a graphic novel, but not a Total Art Work. So if you want to put the LIBRETTO from the ring, I'm fine with that, but not the music. Or you can put the music, but only by saying that the score is worth reading (which I suppose some people might think - personally, although I can sight-read, I can't just hear the music in my head by looking at the notes, like some people can).

Likewise, you can put, if you really want, the written script for a film, or for a play, but not the film itself, or the performance of it.

Hope that's clear and doesn't seem entirely arbitrary. Basically, I think people should be able to push boundaries, but it's essentially about reading, and I don't want lists where the top four are The Dark Knight, the Burj Khalifa, Tracy Emin's Bed and the Goldberg Variations.

Fair enough. And reading opera librettos is actually fairly boring, so that's going off my list. The revised edition is below:

The Silmarillion, J.R.R. Tolkien

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

The Lord of the Rings, J.R.R. Tolkien

Der Ring Des Nibelung, Richard Wagner

Dune, Frank Herbert (Up one tier)

The Blind Assassin, Margaret Atwood

Speaker for the Dead, Orson Scott Card

Don Quixote, Miguel de Cervantes

The Iliad, Homer

The Wheel of Time, Robert Jordan (& Brandon Sanderson)

Kafka on the Shore, Haruki Murakami

A Song of Ice and Fire, George R. R. Martin

The Gunslinger (Original Version), Stephen King (Up one tier)

Foundation and Empire, Isaac Asimov

A Clockwork Orange, Anthony Burgess

The Phantom Tollbooth, Norton Juster

Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World, Haruki Murakami

V., Thomas Pynchon

The Eyes of the Overworld, Jack Vance

The Once and Future King, T.H. White

The Road, Cormac McCarthy (New Addition)

Some people are objecting to inclusion of classical epics and the like. I'm sympathetic to that point of view, but in the end I found it easier to be as inclusive as possible when making my list, rather than spending time worrying over some sort of arbitrary border separating "genre" from the rest.

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Lord of the rings J.R.R. Tolkein

Starship Troopers Robert Heinlein

Brave New World Aldous Huxley

1001 Arabian Nights Various authors/oral tradition (debatable as to "genre" but i think fantasy applies)

Black Man (13 US title Richard Morgan

Dune Frank Herbert

Royal Assassin Robin Hobb

A Game of Thrones George R. R. Martin

Small Gods Terry Pratchett

Magician Raymond E. Feist

The Folk of the Faraway tree Enid Blighton (for kids but worth reading)

Memories of Ice Steven Erikson

The Lies of Locke Lamora Scott Lynch

Last Argument of Kings Joe Abercrombie

Chronicles of Narnia C. S. Lewis

The Scar China Meiville

Thats it. Not the full twenty, everything else i can remember was distinctly average.

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I'm guessing part of the objection to classical epics is that they really weren't "fantasy" to their original audiences. Which is fine, but they're "fantasy" to me and enormously influential as such, so for me they count.

I just realized that I can't really get away with citing the Orhan Pamuk book from my original list as genre fiction. So here's an amendment to replace it:

The Gospel According to Jesus Christ - Jose Saramago.

Midnight's Children - Salman Rushdie.

The Iliad & The Odyssey - Homer.

The Mahabharata - Anonymous.

Soldier of the Mist - Gene Wolfe.

China Mountain Zhang - Maureen F. McHugh.

The Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. Le Guin.

A Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter Miller.

My Name Is Red - Orhan Pamuk.

A Clockwork Orange - Anthony Burgess.

Cloud Atlas - David Mitchell.

Gojiro - Mark Jacobson.

The Handmaid's Tale - Margaret Atwood. (up one tier)

Riddley Walker - Russell Hoban. (new addition)

Dune - Frank Herbert.

Vast - Linda Nagata.

White Queen - Gwyneth Jones.

The Last Dancer - Daniel Keys Moran.

The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien.

The Eden Trilogy - Harry Harrison.

The Culture Series - Iain M. Banks.

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Maithanet,

I love your list. I love every single work on it. Not once did I shake my head in mockery or condescension. Gold star to you.

Thank you! Have you actually read all of those? I wasn't going for terribly obscure titles, but to go 20 for 20 on anyone else's list is...impressive.

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A Song of Ice and Fire, George RR Martin

The Handmaid's Tale, Margaret Atwood

Little, Big, John Crowley

Lord of the Rings, JRR Tolkien

Tam-Lin, Pamela Dean

Briar Rose, Jane Yolen

The Fionvar Tapestry, Guy Gavriel Kay

American Gods, Neil Gaiman

The Newford books, Charles DeLint

Mockingbird, Sean Stewart

Beauty, Sheri S. Tepper

Foundation, Isaac Asimov

The Bloody Chamber, Angela Carter

Brain Rose, Nancy Kress

Mythago Wood, Robert Holdstock

Lyonesse, Jack Vance

Left Hand of Darkness, Ursula K. LeGuin

Waking the Moon, Elizabeth Hand

Palimpset, Catherine Valente

City of Golden Shadow, Tad Williams

Ridiculously hard, and I'm sure my list will be wildly different from most boarders'. I had a terribly hard time sticking to traditional sf/f and not including magical realism. (This is why Rushdie, Byatt, Chabon, Fowles, Erdrich, Allende, etc did not make my list. I admit that Sean Stewart probably should have been left off once I made that decision, but I couldn't resist. I adore that book.)

Some of the works I picked are admittedly difficult. Tam-Lin is by no means a perfect book, but I almost always list it as one of my favorites because it did what the very best books do for me: It inspired me to read other things. City of Golden Shadow I adored, but the series it's a part of disappointed me greatly in the end. Etc.

But that's the end result of my thinking. It would probably be different tomorrow.

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You can include Magic Realism if you want, you know... other people have...

The problem is that I get tearing off into things that are really only very minimally fantasy at best. I found that the line between magical realism with what I considered an acceptable level of fantasy (Michael Chabon) and what I thought probably wasn't (John Fowles) was just too hard for me to hold onto. So I did it this way. Tomorrow I'd probably choose differently. (But then, I'd be putting things like the Antelope Wife and Mistress of Spices on the list and I'd be so far off the beaten path I might as well not be voting! This way there were at least overlaps with a few other people.)

Also, I forgot Bradbury. How did I forget Bradbury?!

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OK.

Update: I've entered everybody's votes! Hooray! Now to wait for more people to enter their votes... this takes more work than you might think. Got the hang of it now, though. [And it's easier now that most people are voting for things already mentioned, so fewer new titles have to be written out]

I must say, I'm somewhat surprised by the results so far, which don't really match m anticipations - some things are popular that are never mentioned here, while things that are often mentioned have yet to show up.

So far, only two people have NOT voted for ASOIAF (or a volume thereof), and only six people have not voted for Tolkien. The most diversely nominated author is Gene Wolfe, with an astounding nine works nominated.

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Thank you! Have you actually read all of those? I wasn't going for terribly obscure titles, but to go 20 for 20 on anyone else's list is...impressive.

Mate, you underestimate my sickness. I have not read the works of Jose Saramego. Those are the only entries I've seen so far that I haven't read.

ETA: Until Lady Cheesevillage. I've read Kress, but never even heard of Brain Rose. Ditto for Hand and Waking The Moon. And I sure as hell have not read all of the Newford Books.

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