Slick Mongoose Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yeah that is definitly allowed, it has clear fantastical elements after all.I did see someone post Pillars of the Earth above, which seems more doubtful to me, but I have not read that book so I can't say. Always thought that was straight hist. fiction.Does this mean I could have had Dunnett? Some fantastical elements in there, too. :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuroishi Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yeah that is definitly allowed, it has clear fantastical elements after all.I did see someone post Pillars of the Earth above, which seems more doubtful to me, but I have not read that book so I can't say. Always thought that was straight hist. fiction.Aye, no fantastical elements in Pillars of the Earth that I can recall... I saw Foucault's Pendulum in a list too, no fantastical elements in there either as far as I recall. :unsure: But I guess it's up to each lister's own perception as to what qualifies as SF&F.(but I really don't get how Pillars of the Earth can get in there...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashiara Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Handmaid's Tale, Margaret AtwoodA canticle for Leibowitz, Walter M. Miller JrA Song of Ice and Fire, George RR MartinUse of Weapons, Iain M. BanksThe Scar (Bas-Lag) China MievilleThe Long Price Quartet, Daniel AbrahamThe Blind Assassin, Margaret AtwoodAltered Carbon, Richard MorganThe Orphan's Tales duology, Catherynne M. ValenteWheel of Time, Robert JordanThe Road, Cormac McCarthyAmerican Gods, Neil GaimanDiscworld Series, Terry PratchettThe hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy, Douglas AdamsTigana, Guy Gavriel KayThe Stand, Stephen KingI am Legend, R. MathesonBlindness, Jose SaramagoThe Name of the Wind, Patrick RothfussThunderer, Felix GilmanThis was really hard to write and I bet I'd come up with a different list tomorrow. I have to say, if we hadn't been told to nominate only ONE book from a series I'd include both The Scar and Perdido Street Station in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 China Mountain Zhang - Maureen F. McHughAnathem - Neal StephensonPrince of Nothing - R. Scott BakkerA Song of Ice and Fire - George R. R. MartinThe Long Price Quartet - Daniel AbrahamThe Glass Bead Game - Hermann HesseMission Child - Maureen F. McHughIron Council - China MiévilleTigana - Guy Gavriel KayWatchmen - Alan MooreBrave New World - Aldous HuxleyCloud Atlas - David MitchellThe Carpet Makers - Andreas EschbachThe First Law - Joe AbercrombieThe Lies of Locke Lamora - Scott LynchAmerican Gods - Neil GaimanHyperion - Dan SimmonsThe Baroque Cycle - Neal StephensonPerdido Street Station - China MiévilleThe Soldier Son Trilogy - Robin Hobb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Halftrak Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 The Lord of the Rings - JRR Tolkien1984 - George OrwellThe Screwtape Letters - CS LewisA Song of Ice and Fire - George RR MartinThe Gone-Away World - Nick HarkawayA Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter MillerDune - Frank HerbertThe Little Prince - Antoine St. ExuperySlaughterhouse Five - Kurt VonnegutFoundation - Isaac AsimovThe Silmarillion - JRR TolkienWatership Down - Richard AdamsThe Lies of Locke Lamora - Scott LynchThe City and the City - China MievilleFrankenstein - Mary ShelleyA Brave New World - Aldous HuxleyFarenheit 451 - Ray BradburyThe Hobbit - JRR Tolkien2001: A Space Oddyssey - Arthur C. ClarkeThe Last Unicorn - Peter Beagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastrel Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 Does this mean I could have had Dunnett? Some fantastical elements in there, too. :unsure:You can have anything you want. The rules are not set by me but by you: if YOU honestly think it belongs on the list, put it there. I'm not going to demand reasons. If you don't think it belongs, don't put it there, regardless of what other people may have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tormund Ukrainesbane Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Yo westeros, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but Terry Goookind had one of the best fantasy series of ALL TIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotherevilbadguy Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Reapers Gale by Steven EriksonStorm of Swords by GRRMPerdido Street Station by China MievilleChasm City by Alastair ReynoldsBest Served Cold by Joe AbercrombieThe Wheel of Time by Robert JordanBlack Man by Richard MorganLies of Locke Lamorra by Scott LynchPrince of Nothing by R Scott BakkerAmerican Gods by Neil GaimanCrytonomicon by Neal SteaphensonThe Year of Our War by Steph SwainstonName of the Wind by Patrick RothfussOld Man's War by John ScalziKushiel's Dart by Jacqueline CareyLiveships Trilogy by Robin HobbMagician by Raymond FeistBlack Company by Glen CookHero's Die by Matt StoverThunderer by Felix GilmanNote: I decided to only vote for one book by each author, as often it is hard to really distinguish if something is in a series, and think it is a odd seperation anyway. I think it is odd people are voting for LotR and Silmarilion, and even the Hobbit aswell. They for example more closely linked than the Bas Lag books. Nor are they much more seperately linked than some of the Malazan stuff, and a number of other series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Prince of Nothing, R. Scott BakkerChronicles of Thomas Covenant, Stephen R. DonaldsonSoldier of the Mist & Arete & Sidon (Latro books), Gene WolfeDying Earth sequence, Jack VanceThe Worm Ouroboros, E. R. EddisonConan stories, Robert E. HowardScavenger, K. J. ParkerThe Anubis Gates, Tim PowersOrphan's Tales, Catherynne M. ValenteA Song of Ice and Fire, George R. R. MartinThe Black Company, Glen CookFarseer, Robin Hobb*The Broken Sword, Poul AndersonLord of Light, Roger ZelaznyMonarchies of God, Paul KearneySaga of the Exiles, Julian MayA Song for Arbonne, Guy Gavriel KayWinter of the World, Michael Scott RohanMalazan Book of the Fallen, Steven EriksonBook of Words, J. V. JonesI was on the fence whether I'd switch Asoiaf with either Wolfe or Vance, but ended up as not doing anything.* My favourite Fitz book is actually Fool's Errand, but Farseer trumps Tawny Man. Unless they're simultaneously included? Are sequel series sharing the same protagonist counted as one? If not, I may have to axe a vote to include the Second Chronicles of Tom Covenant in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastrel Posted January 25, 2010 Author Share Posted January 25, 2010 There is no clear rule on what counts as a series. I think it's important to have the rule, so that people don't vote for four books of ASOIAF, four books of BotNS, and so on (and because it's also not clear what's a single book - many old series have been reprinted in single volumes now); but the downside is that there is an arbitrary element. This may mean that if people guess the wrong way their vote isn't 100% counted, but I think that given the rarity of the problem, and the number of votes, it won't be much of an issue.Regarding Covenant, I'm leaning toward counting "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant" and "the Covenant series" (etc) as being votes for all the Covenant books, but "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, The Unbeliever" as being votes for the first trilogy only.However, this isn't really that important. Remember, there's a three stage process: authors are selected, a number of slots is given to them, and then books are selected to fill those slots. I think that how series are counted will depend on how many slots an author has: if Hobb has only one slot, I'll give her "The Realm of the Elderlings", and if she has two I'll give her both "Farseer" and "Liveships". Since voting for a person repeatedly pushes them up the list and may give them more slots, this system respects the votes - a vote for two related books makes it more likely that they are considered as independent, not as a series. [A vote for one book from the series is the same as a vote for the whole series, except that if people do the former a lot, I'll mention the most popular book in the series in parentheses]So, for Mieville, I suspect the Bas-Lag books will be given independently, because a) there's lots of people voting for both The Scar and PSS (and some for Iron Council too), but nobody has explicitly voted for Bas-Lag (to the point that I've compiled so far, at least!) and B) Mieville is very popular, so will get multiple slots to fill, and the Bas-Lag books seem more popular than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Thanks for the quick reply, Wastrel. My vote is unchanged then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onion Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 ASOAIF - GRRMThe Stand - Stephen KingThe Lord of the Rings - JRR TolkienThe Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy - Douglas AdamsThe First Law Trilogy - Joe AbercrombieThe Book of the New Sun - Gene WolfeDune - Frank HerbertBest Served Cold - Joe AbercrombieThe Lies of Locke Lamora - Scott LynchPet Semetary - Stephen KingThe Wheel of Time - Robert JordanPerdido Street Station - China MievilleThe Hobbit - JRR TolkienFevre Dream - GRRMThe Chronicles of Thomas Covenant - Stephen DonaldsonWizard & Glass - Stephen KingThe Discworld Series - Terry PratchetThe View from the Mirror Quartet - Ian IrvineJonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell - Susanna ClarkeIT - Stephen KingI'm only halfway through The Book of the New Sun, so it may yet ascend to the lofty realms of the first tier. :read: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Robert of Dobolina Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 China Mountain Zhang - Maureen F. McHughAhhh, good to see another McHugh fan. I love love love that book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sebastian Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Ahhh, good to see another McHugh fan. I love love love that book.Yeah, me too. :) After finishing it a few years ago, I was really surprised to find out that she wasn't much more well known. I realise that her books can be very, very slow at times but I think she is a great character writer and anybody who likes Daniel Abraham's Long Price Quartet would probably enjoy her books, too.So, for Mieville, I suspect the Bas-Lag books will be given independently, because a) there's lots of people voting for both The Scar and PSS (and some for Iron Council too), but nobody has explicitly voted for Bas-Lag (to the point that I've compiled so far, at least!) and B) Mieville is very popular, so will get multiple slots to fill, and the Bas-Lag books seem more popular than the others.I wasn't sure at first whether to put both Iron Council and Perdido Street Station in the list. But after thinking about it, I would say that the Bas-Lag books don't really have much in common except their setting and are too independent of each other to really be called a series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastrel Posted January 26, 2010 Author Share Posted January 26, 2010 Could you please take the religion argument somewhere else?UPDATE: I've now compiled more than fifty ballots, which have mentioned a little under 450 works. Not a bad ratio of eclecticity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshua Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Ficciones - J.L. BorgesHyperion - Dan SimmonsThe Man in the High Castle - PKDickChildhood's End - A.C. ClarkeStone - Adam RobertsBlindsight - Peter WattsThe Stars My Destination - Alfred BesterWe - Yevgeny ZamyatinAxiomatic - Greg EganStories of Your Life and Others - Ted ChiangGreybeard - Brian AldissEvolution - Stephen BaxterNeuromancer - William GibsonA Scientific Romance - Ronald WrightLast and First Men - Olaf StapledonThe Time Machine - H.G. WellsA Canticle for Leibowitz - Walter M. MillerThe Embedding - Ian WatsonA Fire Upon the Deep - Vernor VingeBehold the Man - Michael Moorcock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinDonner Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Yo westeros, I'm really happy for you, Imma let you finish, but Terry Goookind had one of the best fantasy series of ALL TIME!Sorry dude, only fantasy books are allowed. Take your vote to the Best 100 Important Human Themes poll!/lemming threadjack (sorry Wastrel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multaniette Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 silmarillion - tolkienthe light ages - ian r macleodthe iron dragon's daughter - michael swanwicka song of ice and fire - george r r martinmission of gravity - hal clementpavane - kieth robertschina mountain zhang - maureen mchughthe dispossessed - ursula le guinwe - yvegny zemyatinbas-lag - china mievillecloud atlas - david mitchellthe culture novels - iain bankstigana - guy gavriel kayillusion - paula volskydo androids dream of electric sheep? - philip k dickfoundation - asimovthe chrysalids - john wyndhamwatership down - richard adamsdark tower - stephen king Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Hat Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Wastrel, would you count VanderMeer's Ambergris novels as a series? They share a setting, but the style of writing is quite different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Wastrel, would you count VanderMeer's Ambergris novels as a series? They share a setting, but the style of writing is quite different.Ha! I actually nominated them as a single entry. I dunno if Vandermeer will get more than one entry though; if not, and if we don't consider Ambergris a series, I'd like to change my vote to Veniss Underground (non-Ambergris novel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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