Horza Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Some people believe R+L=J. Others maintain that Tyrion is a Targ while yet others claim Varys Drugged Shae and Poisoned Tywin. Yet how many hold all these to be true and while subscribing to the Grand Tyrell Conspiracy and Sylvio=Jaquen? Out yourselves in this thread oh conspiratorially-minded denizens!Deserves a post-ADWD bump, no?New added crackpottery:Septa Lemore is Ashara DayneTheon is the Hooded ManThe Green Grace is the HarpyAegon is FakeBran ate JojenMirri Maz Duur's prophecy is fulfilledList of Conspiracies (improvements welcome)(again, feel free to add)01. Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (R+L=J)02. Jon Snow is the son of Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne (N+A=J) --03. Jon is the son of Ned Stark and Wylla --04. Tyrion is a Targaryen (TiaT) --05. Varys set up Tywin murder --06. Dragonstone and/or Loras aren't as reported (GTCT) --07. Syrio Forel is alive --08. Syrio Forel = Jaqen H'ghar (S=JH) --09. Tysha = Sailor's Wife --10. Jeyne Westerling isn't Jeyne Westerling (mysterious shrinking hips) --11. Sandor is the gravedigger --12. The dragons are Lightbringer --13. Dawn is Lightbringer --14. Ashara is Quaithe --15. Lyanna is the Knight of the Laughing Tree --16. Aegon is real--17. Jon is legitimized by Robb --18. Marillion is still alive --19. Arya didn't kill Dareon --20. Marwyn is right about the Maesters (Grey Sheep) --21. Tywin arranged Jeyne for Robb (Tywin planned the Red Wedding) --22. Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne --23. Theon is the Hooded Man --23a. Theon killed Little Walder --24. The Green Grace is the Harpy --25. Aegon is Fake --25a. Aegon is a Blackfyre --26. Varys is a Blackfyre --27. Bran ate Jojen --28. Mirri Maz Duur's prophecy is fulfilled --Nightflyer classics (definately need to dig up some more of these)Renly wasn't killed by shadow magic but some kind of elaborate machineNed warged into Lyanna's body as she gave birth to JonSandor and Gregor Clegane are brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share Posted March 1, 2010 For my part I'm almost certain R+L=J is true, don't buy TiaT, beginning to think VDS is a lot less crackpot than it sounds while the GTC is probably just down to news travelling slower to the Vale and S=JH is just wishful thinking. Ned warging into Lyanna's body as she gave birth to Jon however is all but canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-Law Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I'll with my approximated probability for the theory being true:Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (R+L=J) 99+%Tyrion is a Targaryen (TiaT) 10-%Varys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional) 70+%Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC) 5-%Sylvio Forel is Jaquen Hgarr (S=JH) 0%Jon Snow is the son of Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne (N+A=J) 1-%Nightflyer classics Shane Shame on you for even bringing these up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted March 1, 2010 Author Share Posted March 1, 2010 Who's Shane? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-Law Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Who's Shane? :PAn old-time boarder that we really miss. Shane! Come back Shane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (R+L=J)Varys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional)Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC)These, though i'm not sure what I believe about Dragonstone, just that the Tyrells are up to something. (Or there is theme in FFC with disfiguring injuries and it means something. Whichever.)Renly wasn't killed by shadow magic but some kind of elaborate machineNed warged into Lyanna's body as she gave birth to JonSandor and Gregor Clegane are brothers???Wait, what? Why have I not heard of these before? WHY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadow catlady Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 ???Wait, what? Why have I not heard of these before? WHY?The Sandor/ Gregor theory is in an old Jaime L post linked in Lady Blackfish's signature.To the topic:I like R+L=J a lot. 99.9% certain it's true.I like Varys drugging Shae, better than anything I've thought of, but I'm still open to other possibilities.I think something's fishy w/ the Tyrells but not sure what yet.Also, the Sandor/ Gregor thing. Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTheEnchanter Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Varys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional)Never heard of this one before. In which situation is Varys supposed to have drugged Shae or even Tywin? Are there any indications in the books? Anything?Besides, one theory is missing. Bloodraven = Coldhands... my favorite one. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errant Bard Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Add: The sailor's wife is TyshaJeyne Westerling isn't Jeyne Westerling (switcheroo ahoy)Sandor is the gravediggerThe dragons are LightbringerDawn is LightbringerMerlings are behind everythingUndead-ness is caused by a virusAshara is Quaithe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (R+L=J): 99%Tyrion is a Targaryen (TiaT): 5%Varys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional): 0%Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC): 0%Syrio Forel is Jaquen Hgarr (S=JH): 30%Jon Snow is the son of Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne (N+A=J): 0%I'll add my one looney theory to the mix:Quaithe is Ashara Dayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3idcrow Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 That is fun! :thumbsup: Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (R+L=J) - 4SURTyrion is a Targaryen (TiaT) - BSVarys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional) - BSDragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC) - Dragonstone has fallen but Loras is just injured (lost his beauty and I like him better this way :blushing: ) and currently on his way to KL to rescue his sister!Sylvio Forel is Jaquen Hgarr (S=JH)- I find it possible. Not 4SUR but not entirely BS eitherJon Snow is the son of Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne (N+A=J) - BSNightflyer classics (definately need to dig up some more of these)Renly wasn't killed by shadow magic but some kind of elaborate machineNed warged into Lyanna's body as she gave birth to JonSandor and Gregor Clegane are brothers :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: My other favorite theories (it is known):Lyanna is KotLTDany is a yound and beautiful queen to dismiss CerseiDany is also PtwP and her dragons are LightbringerDawn is a Lightbringer, just shines under some special conditionsBen Stark is ColdhandsA dragon was awakened at Winterfell (IDK about that one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bronn l Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I'm going with the Tyrell's were conspiring with Aegon the conqueror. And high garden was there reward.That Ned was the knight of the laughing tree. Lyanna coerced him into doing it for her.The Stark's have other blood in them. I forget who proposed it but I quite like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wizard Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I'm a subscriber to the Syrio Forel=Jaqen Hgarr theory.I would never have thought of R+L=J myself but I can't think of anything that works as strongly as that theory. I mabye had a little suspicion that Ashara Dayne was the mother while reading the books but since regstering with this board I've given up on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Ent Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 .995 Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark (R+L=J).053 Tyrion is a Targaryen (TiaT).871 Varys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional).231 Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC).025 Sylvio Forel is Jaquen Hgarr (S=JH).004 Jon Snow is the son of Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne (N+A=J).704 Tysha is the Sailor’s Wife.895 Garlan poisoned Joffrey.914 Sandor is the Gravedigger.951 Brienne screamed “Sword”.727 Bloodraven is Coldhands.812 Howland warged Arthur Dayne.941 Lyanna is the KoLT.wtf Ashara Dayne is Quaithe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 .231 Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC)Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... (GTC): 0%Thats awfully low you guys. Whats the argument? Surely theres something fishy there. Quaithe=Ashara - Totally unlikely but very likeable. More dead women of unspeakble loveliness stepping off pedestrals please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The SmilingKnight Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Could someone gather up all the X is lightbringer/azor ahai?im really annoyed at those.Rhaegar+Lyanna=Jon 99%Lyanna was a KotLT 99%Tyrion is not Tywins son 50%Tyrion is a targ 50%Sandor is a gravedigger 99%Syrio is Jaqen... use to like it until i figured out that Yoren had all the prisoners with him ready to leave before the fighting broke out. 0%Mine:Doom was something demonic even if FM had a hand in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Mallister Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Skimmed most of the thread, but didn't see one of the all time greats:The Maester/Dragon assassination complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 List of Conspiracies Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark - maybe... Tyrion is a Targaryen - no Varys drugged Shae - noDragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something - noSylvio Forel is Jaquen Hgarr - no, give it up...Jon Snow is the son of Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne - maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liadin Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I like the percentage approach to answering this question.Jon Snow is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark 90%Tyrion is a Targaryen 0%Varys drugged Shae (VDS, Tywin constipation optional) 30%Dragonstone hasn't really fallen and Loras is OK because the Tyrells are up to something... 40%Syrio Forel is Jaqen H'gar (S=JH) 1%Jon Snow is the son of Eddard Stark and Ashara Dayne (N+A=J) 10%The sailor's wife is Tysha no opinionJeyne Westerling isn't Jeyne Westerling (switcheroo ahoy) 15%Sandor is the gravedigger 80%The dragons are Lightbringer 75%Dawn is Lightbringer 10%Merlings are behind everything WTF?Undead-ness is caused by a virus 0%Ashara is Quaithe no commentLyanna is KotLF 70%Also:Aegon is alive 20%Benjen is Coldhands 50%Jon is Robb's heir 85%Marillion is still alive 20%Arya didn't really kill Dareon 15%And my personal favoriteErryk or Arryk killed Joffrey 65% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raisin Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 R+L=J - 99%... bordering on 100%. Seriously, if Martin flat out tells me this isn't the case, I'm just going to wink and go "Right. I got you." Tyrion is a Targaryen - No.Tyrion is not Tywin's son - No.Varys drugged Shae - I hadn't even heard this one, but it doesn't sound likely to me.Dragonstone hasn't fallen... Loras is OK. - Doubtful.Sylvio Forel is Jaqen Hgarr - I kinda think so. I'd put it at a <50% for me, though.N+A=J - No. Just no.Sandor is the gravedigger - Fairly certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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