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John C. Wright and gender relationships


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I'm somewhat confused. So you can view women in two ways: One in which they're inferior, so you rape them and one in which they're inferior, so you coddle them and don't let them leave the home? What if you just stop being such a massive asshole and pretending that they're incapable of deciding what they want for themselves? Besides which, I'm in awe of someone who can barely concede allowing women to own property and vote... :leaving:

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I have read The Golden Age series and enjoyed it greatly. The libertarian aspects of it are kinda amusing but he got a great imagination.

Too bad he had a hearth attack and got bitten by Jesus while in Limbo.(Although I suspect he was never that much of nice person)

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The Golden Age is a wonderful work, and it's a shame that Wright lost his damn mind.

With the crazy spewing forth from the man's fingers now, I will never buy one of his books again.

It is unfortunate that his insanity will cause people to avoid The Golden Age trilogy, because it's a very fine work. I would still recommend it, but do not buy them new.

Holy fucking shit...

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I just can't fathom why he thought it would be a good idea to post this shit.

Most of these type of people are smart enough to not air their stupidity in a public setting where it can be traced back to them. Not without couching it in more socially acceptable codewords anyway.

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I will never understand how the same man who wrote that could have written The Golden Age.

QFT!

A fantastic sci-fi trilogy, I loved it! But then I went on the net and saw his blogposts...I was disgusted to say the least. Not going to buy any other books of his.

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Has anyone read Wright's Chronicles of Everness fantasy series? I really enjoyed his story in Songs of the Dying Earth.

It is quite nice, IMHO, though not equal to Golden Age. A little bit on the whimsy side (and, yes, the second part was somewhat marred by libertarian preaching). I also liked a lot his story in New Space Opera 2 (The Far End of History, although it is probably better to be acquainted with The Golden Age trilogy in order to fully appreciate it. I even voted for it for Hugo and Locus awards, but of course with opinion he created for himself among fans it had no chances to win nominations.

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Has anyone read Wright's Chronicles of Everness fantasy series? I really enjoyed his story in Songs of the Dying Earth.

They're a mixed bag...inventive plot and settings, great density of ideas, villains (in the selkie) who are the more menacing for their humor (think Croup and Vandemar in Gaiman's Neverwhere); on the other hand, even the primary characters have no real depth or development, you do see even more of Wright's attitude towards women here than in the Golden Age books, and also more of his tendency to have characters be libertarian mouthpieces. I enjoy Wright's prose style, but it's not for everyone: he'll mention a lot of things he never actually describes, that are just there to create mood and theme. Bottom line, I don't regret reading the Everness books, but have never been interested in re-reading them.

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Thanks for answering, I probably should try Golden Age first. But I'm not sure if I want to read more from Wright, his blogging is unbelievable crazy and offending. I'm not fond of libertarian politics.

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Thanks for answering, I probably should try Golden Age first. But I'm not sure if I want to read more from Wright, his blogging is unbelievable crazy and offending. I'm not fond of libertarian politics.

The annoying thing about Wright (well, an annoying thing) is that he suckers you in. The first books in any given series don't seem that bad. But by the last book, there will inevitably be a character making an impromptu and totally irrelevant speech about libertarian economic ideas, and any female characters will have been reduced to fawning over the hero while they tremble in desire from his presence. His virgin/whore nonsense was in full effect even back then.

That said, if you're trying to avoid libertarianism, I should express myself better and say that there's actually more of it in the Golden Age books...it's just of the more pervasive, thematic kind. The Golden Age is the story of a brilliant inventor held back by a seemingly utopian society...parts read like Rand's The Fountainhead set in 3000AD. It's part and parcel of the story, and Wright at least tries to argue for it. The Everness books, on the other hand, don't deal directly with libertarianism much that I recall (or maybe I just missed it), which makes it that much more jarring when characters abruptly become mouthpieces later in the books.

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I'm just giggling hysterically at the excerpts from the OP. Seriously, what century is this guy living in? Pity him...he was born outside of his time....

:lmao: :lmao:

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Thanks for answering, I probably should try Golden Age first. But I'm not sure if I want to read more from Wright, his blogging is unbelievable crazy and offending. I'm not fond of libertarian politics.

I'm not very fond of libertarian politics myself, but I could probably tolerate the writer if that were the only problem. By far the bigger problem is his rampant bigotry.

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The Golden Age is a very interesting series regardless. It is a libertarian utopia, but the premise does justify it (namely, that everyone who practices it is hugely rich and doesn't need to do anything, similar to Aristoi by Walter Jon Williams).

He is complete fuckwittery.

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I'm not very fond of libertarian politics myself, but I could probably tolerate the writer if that were the only problem. By far the bigger problem is his rampant bigotry.

Mormont, does the bigotry show up in the novels. or is it just on the blog?

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I just can't fathom why he thought it would be a good idea to post this shit.

Most of these type of people are smart enough to not air their stupidity in a public setting where it can be traced back to them. Not without couching it in more socially acceptable codewords anyway.

The homosexuality post gave me the feel of the kind of speech where the writer thinks he'll get a ton of people going "right on!" at the end. Instead, he got hate from the whole internet. As a result, I think he's realized that, by now, it doesn't matter what the hell he writes. He's never recovering from that, he might as well just go on being a loon.

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Mormont, does the bigotry show up in the novels. or is it just on the blog?

His misogyny grows with each series, and is absolutely vomit inducing in his third published series The Chronicles of Chaos. While I think the good in The Golden Age Trilogy far outweighs the bad, so much so that I still would recommend the books that is not the case at all for Chaos - it's fucking awful.

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Mormont, does the bigotry show up in the novels. or is it just on the blog?

This gets us into a different discussion, because I must admit to not having read the novels. ;) (I have only read a short story or two, including the one in Songs of the Dying Earth.) But my point was that the bigotry of the man has put me off trying the novels (though him having libertarian views would not). I know some people insist that the personal views of the author shouldn't matter unless they do show through in the books, but I still find myself reluctant to support a man like Wright in any way.

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The Golden Age is a very interesting series regardless. It is a libertarian utopia, but the premise does justify it (namely, that everyone who practices it is hugely rich and doesn't need to do anything, similar to Aristoi by Walter Jon Williams).

He is complete fuckwittery.

I did not get the utopian aspect of the Golden Age, I only read the first book but it seemed a dystopia to me. Perhaps I have to much of a socialist streak to enjoy the 'greed is good' universe I saw in the book.

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