Nox Irradiata Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Check it out: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Reyne There's an interesting paragraph at the bottom of the article that discusses possible inspirations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scafloc Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 It seems very likely to be correct. But can we find a reference for it -> the part of the statement that it could be an inspiration?Else it could be considered original research Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evrach Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 By the way, I just (re)drawn each CoA for La Garde de Nuit. It was a lot of work but now we have standardised same-size CoA for each house/character. I don't know if you lack some but if you want to use some of them... Link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Jeyne Reyne Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Check it out: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Reyne There's an interesting paragraph at the bottom of the article that discusses possible inspirations. Thanks for this Nox. You're right - that is interesting that Simon de Montfort's sigil was very similar. A couple of years ago I read Falls the Shadow (by Sharon Penman), a novel which is all about Simon. A fascinating look at the man and at that time in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Jeyne Reyne Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 By the way, I just (re)drawn each CoA for La Garde de Nuit. It was a lot of work but now we have standardised same-size CoA for each house/character. I don't know if you lack some but if you want to use some of them... Link. Evrach - that is just amazing. What a lot of work you've done. So it's your work that graces the first and last page of World of Ice and Fire, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nox Irradiata Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 Thanks for this Nox. You're right - that is interesting that Simon de Montfort's sigil was very similar. I couple of years ago I read Falls the Shadow (by Sharon Penman), a novel which is all about Simon. A fascinating look at the man and at that time in England. My pleasure. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 By the way, I just (re)drawn each CoA for La Garde de Nuit. It was a lot of work but now we have standardised same-size CoA for each house/character. I don't know if you lack some but if you want to use some of them... Link. These are very nicely done, Evrach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 I do note something else: why are we using French heraldic terms for the Bolton arms? George mixes, but "Carnation, a flayed man affronté sanguine" is not what he uses. His specific description, as noted on the Heraldry site, is "A red flayed man on pink de sang."It seems to me that arms should always be written as they are described by GRRM, and that proper heraldic terms (like "Carnation" or "affronté" in this case) should be avoided if GRRM himself does not use them in his notes or the books. "Affronté" is particular egregious.Zacwill16 recently changed the blazons of various houses to use proper heraldic terminology. For instance, House Botley was changed from "Pale green semé of fish argent" to "Vert, semy of fishes argent" and House Martell was changed from "Orange, a sun in splendour gules pierced bendwise by a spear" to "Tenny, a sun in splendour gules transfixed by a spear bendwise Or". However, GRRM has mentioned "I enjoy the heraldry just for its own sake, although I have played fast and loose with some of the real world heraldic conventions." With Ran's comments also in mind, shouldn't the description of a house's sigil match how GRRM describes them or how they are listed in The Citadel? For instance, the Botleys would be "A shoal of silver fish on pale green" and the Martells would be "A red sun pierced by a golden spear on orange". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 However, GRRM has mentioned "I enjoy the heraldry just for its own sake, although I have played fast and loose with some of the real world heraldic conventions." With Ran's comments also in mind, shouldn't the description of a house's sigil match how GRRM describes them or how they are listed in The Citadel? For instance, the Botleys would be "A shoal of silver fish on pale green" and the Martells would be "A red sun pierced by a golden spear on orange".Sounds logical to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted November 19, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2014 The noble house template has a coat_of_arms parameter that displays "Coat of Arms". GRRM rarely uses "coat of arms" in ASOIAF (only "Besides, if a girl can't fight, why should she have a coat of arms?" in AGOT and "It was more a picture than a proper coat of arms" in AFFC). He sometimes uses just "arms", but not as frequently as "sigil", which he uses all the time. Any objections to changing the "Coat of Arms" output to "Sigil"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Bronze, a horse's head sable orbed and maned gules within a bordure engrailed sable. That's the description of the arms of House Ryswell. Can anyone tell me the meaning of 'orbed', please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Can anyone tell me the meaning of 'orbed', please? "Orbed and maned gules" means that the eyes (orbis) and mane (manes) should be red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Thanks a lot. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 The arms of House Dogget need to look like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of Seagard Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 According to standard heraldic blazoning, in a partitioned shield the first portion to be described is that at the top or at left (from viewers perspective). So in this case, the shield as is on the wiki is correct and that at the citadel is around the wrong way. That being said, however, it may be that westerosi heralds blazon differently to our own, as can be seen in all their chevrons being reversed compared to a real world heraldic chevron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wondering Wolf Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The arms of the Doggetts are blazoned: Per bend a white unicorn on green, a black raven on whiteSo I thought the unicorn needed to be at left. But of course there is no left and right when the shield is per bend. Mea culpa. :blushing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of Seagard Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 When 'per bend' it becomes a top-and-bottom situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of Seagard Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Thought I'd mention this here: I've just added a few new CoAs to the wiki - for House Shett of Gulltown (non Gull Tower), personal arms for Ossifer Lipps and Harry Hardyng, as per the recently released WoW excerpt. For Harry's arms, it is stated that it is quartered, 1st Hardyng, 3rd Waynwood, 2nd & 4th Arryn - it should be 2nd & 3rd Arryn and 4th Waynwood to get a more balanced, normal-looking quartering. The way it is, you get two Arryn quarters occupying half the shield. I decided to make that half a single Arryn sigil, rather than two, because I think it looks better. Do you think GRRM made a mistake with his quarter numbering in the text? Or should two Arryn quarters be sitting atop one another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I think for an answer on that, we are going to have to wait for the actual book, as the last fact-checking will have been done then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle of Seagard Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 I guess we'll just have to wait. Hopefully it gets picked up! Another thing, and I know this has been mentioned before but with regards to the blazoning of arms on the wiki most of them are blazoned as if they were British/European heraldic devices, which isn't accurate (both in the sense of the 'real' blazoning in Westeros, which seems to be almost non-existant, and because Westerosi heraldry is far more liberal, especially with regards to colours, than our own). Surely it would be better to have a description of the 'sigil'/arms as described in the books or at the Citadel, and then perhaps parenthesised after it an attempt at a British/European blazon (which will fall short, but they're persisting on the wiki, so people are obviously insistent that they stay). Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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