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Sorry for sounding a bit pessimistic, but I think hat this talk may possibly be very helpful with the panties thing and the taking-pictures-of-classmate's-thing. But will the porn consumption also be affected? I have my dpoubts there, since that is not a violation of privacy of any real person and the aunt seemed to focus on the privacy thing.

Sounds like the Cool Aunt's priorities are in the right place to me.

This leads to the question: Can the parents tolerate his a bit weird porn consumption, on the long run?

It'll probably get a lot easier to tolerate after they quit snooping. My Mom would've dropped dead of a heart attack if she'd seen the crap I was looking at when I was 12-13ish.

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My point is, a 12-13 year old in a home of questionable sanity and beginning puberty is vulnerable to manipulation by any persons sufficiently malicious and skilled, whether they are middle-aged men professing to be the same, or middle-aged men professing to be teenage girls, or actual teenagers. Plenty of malicious and manipulative teenagers can be found at any school, and there is nothing a self-professed middle-aged man could do over Internet that a real teenager could not do as well - but there are very many things that a teenager can get away with and a middle-aged man could not.

You're arguing against a strawman of your own invention. Nobody said that a middle-aged man is less, or more, emotionally damaging than any other predatory type adults or bullying peers. The warning arose in a specific response to the current situation, which is that a vulnerable 12 year-old is talking about sex with a middle-aged man he met through the internet. That is an alarming situation, regardless of whether a mean-mouthed teenage girl can do more harm than a pedophilic middle-aged man. So your entire apology on behalf of middle-aged men who find it appropriate to talk about sex with random 12 year-old boys is, I'm sure, appreciated by middle-aged men who find it appropriate to talk about sex with random 12 year-old boys, but it's entirely off-point. But hey, at least you seemed to have enjoyed writing out that manifest of apologia.

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Sorry for sounding a bit pessimistic, but I think hat this talk may possibly be very helpful with the panties thing and the taking-pictures-of-classmate's-thing. But will the porn consumption also be affected? I have my dpoubts there, since that is not a violation of privacy of any real person and the aunt seemed to focus on the privacy thing. This leads to the question: Can the parents tolerate his a bit weird porn consumption, on the long run?

IMO, when talking about heavy subjects with kids, tweens, and teens, breaking things down into multiple conversations and covering a bit of material at a time keeps the child from being overwhelmed and increases the chances of them taking away more quality information from the talks.

If auntie is going to be this boy's go-to person for sex information, she's going to need to have some follow-up conversations regardless of whether or not his behavior "improves" in the short term.

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Is the fact that this thread went from 1-400 in four days a board record?

It probably proves that all of us had something when we were 12 that would have caused us to die of embarrassment if our mothers ever found out.

No.

This thread doesn't even rank top 20 in speed, I'd say.

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Plenty of malicious and manipulative teenagers can be found at any school, and there is nothing a self-professed middle-aged man could do over Internet that a real teenager could not do as well - but there are very many things that a teenager can get away with and a middle-aged man could not.

Jaak, I'm impressed by your passionate defense of middle-aged men who talk about BDSM sex with 12-year-old boys on the internet.

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Not even close to a board record, try TTTNE in its prime with 2-3 thousand posts a day, or NHAW 1 which went through similar numbers for a full week straight, or the AFFC threads back in 2004.

Just wait till Game of Thrones airs and ADWD publishes next year then you will see some serious numbers that make this look like a thread in the slow lane.

Not to disparage this thread though, it has been great reading and I hope things work out for the best with your family Cant. If there is one thing everyone should take out of this thread it is that teaching your children about proper safe use of the Internet and having 'The Talk' should take place well before the age of 12. OK fair enough all kids develop at different rates and most will not be ready for that conversation at 10 years old but parents need to start setting the boundaries before its too late to do so.

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Am I the only one that feels that one talk by concerned aunt is not really going to improve this situation?

The kid needs to be told in no uncertain terms that jacking off in his sister and mom's panties is a no-no from here forward.

Also, the camming with the pedo has to be dealt with directly. I think that is a very serious issue that shoudln't be left to hoping and crossing fingers. It would be nice if everything was wrapped up in a bow in time for Christmas (and the end of this thread) but there are serious issues here that should not be ignored or wished into non-existence.

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Also, the camming with the pedo has to be dealt with directly. I think that is a very serious issue that shoudln't be left to hoping and crossing fingers. It would be nice if everything was wrapped up in a bow in time for Christmas (and the end of this thread) but there are serious issues here that should not be ignored or wished into non-existence.

Amen. Save those fucking chat logs. That way a nice 40 something year old gets a visit from perverted justice.

This is why the internet is so scary and why stories like this are becoming more commonplace a 12 year old cannot understand that the 40ish guy is doing anything wrong. The older dude should know better.

Although I can kind of see the kids point. Who is going to talk about bestiality with his Grandmother?

And Goat, your right you need your money.

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:mellow:

Are you just making faces, or do you have an actual assertion to make contrary to my position that people who stick their noses into what kind of porn their own kid is looking at deserve, at the very least, to be extremely squicked out?

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I'm saying that expecting them to quit snooping is looking like a poor bet at this point.

Agreed, unfortunately. They can only disturb themselves, and the kid is going to completely freak his shit if he finds out down the road.

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and she was able to address some of his problematic issues without revealing that his parents are spying. For the pictures he's been taking on his phone, she said that she heard about it from his dad, because pictures show up for the owner of the phone account, and get displayed on the bill. Which is complete bs, of course, but he bought it.

Yes, although she has planted a big mine. When, and how, will he realize or hear that phone companies do not print pictures on the bill and indeed cannot get them out of the phone? And what will his realization do for his trust in his aunt, or father?

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This will teach me to ever be hopeful again. I'm not sure if things can get much worse at this point. My son checked the keylogger today while the grandson was at school and the wife out running errands. I'm not thinking clearly right now, so I'll just state the facts as simply as possible:

Last night my grandson claimed he needed to stay up late on the computer to finish a report. In reality he was on the webcam with the middle-aged man again. The man was talking about all the things he did when he was sexually confused, that he had sex with one of his teachers, that he tried to spy in girl's locker rooms and bathrooms. And it wasn't that these things might influence my grandson that was the worst part, it was that my grandson stated he wanted to do these things, saying how he fantasizes about his math teacher, and was thinking of maybe paying one of his friends, who is a girl, the 100$ he got for his birthday to record videos of the girl's locker room on her phone.

And that's not even what freaked out my son. Snooping through the kid's documents folder, he found an entire folder of erotica stories that my grandson had written. Some were short lesbian scenes he had written of video game and anime characters, but the majority were graphic rape and domination scenes. In nearly all of them, the theme was of a dominant female character being abused by someone weaker.

There were four stories about his mother and himself, involving torture, mutilation, gangrape...

Fuck. I don't even know what to do now. I never even imagined the situation with his mother was bad enough that he was fantasizing about these things, let alone writing them. And the shittiest part is that his hatred for her has manifested into a hatred and need to dominate women in general.

Talks and waiting are not going to cut it. The entire family needs professional help. I don't even care about the sexuality anymore, to me that is just a symptom of how controlling and abusive the mother is, and how it's led to this unimaginable hatred for her and women. This could seriously fuck up the kid's entire life. I can't just stand on the sidelines hoping for the best and giving advice. I'm going to drive to their home today and deal with this in person. No more phone and texting.

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Edited because I just read Cantabile's newest post.

Talks and waiting are not going to cut it. The entire family needs professional help. I don't even care about the sexuality anymore, to me that is just a symptom of how controlling and abusive the mother is, and how it's led to this unimaginable hatred for her and women. This could seriously fuck up the kid's entire life. I can't just stand on the sidelines hoping for the best and giving advice. I'm going to drive to their home today and deal with this in person. No more phone and texting.

Good for you. There is nothing more important here than your grandson's safety and well-being.

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Fucking hell. Now that you posted this, your grandson seems like a potential future serial killer or rapist. He needs psychotherapy now, and probably separation from his mom until he's older.

Something should be done about the middle-aged pedo as well.

I'm really sorry about that, Cantabile. Your family just can't seem to catch a break.

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Talks and waiting are not going to cut it. The entire family needs professional help. I don't even care about the sexuality anymore, to me that is just a symptom of how controlling and abusive the mother is, and how it's led to this unimaginable hatred for her and women. This could seriously fuck up the kid's entire life. I can't just stand on the sidelines hoping for the best and giving advice. I'm going to drive to their home today and deal with this in person. No more phone and texting.

Good! I completely agree with you and wish you and your family all the best. Your grandson will be fine if he only gets help form someone wise and understanding.

ETA: I still don't think anything grandson has done comes close to serious anough to call him a "potential future serial killer or rapist". He needs some guidance, he needs to deal with having a controlling mom and he he needs to get away from webcam sex friend.

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