Writing Erotica About Your Mother

[Darkostar]

Not especialy different. He could have used fictional characters and the writing would have been thematically the same; the product of a kid with a developing sexuality and some MAJOR family issues. The latter is what needs therapeutic correction; more than likely the other issues will become much more manageable.

[Rubies & Jade]

There is a lot going on here, and good advice--Darkostar in particular has been amazing.

I only want to add that heavy kinks to do not equal mental illness. at all. And of course fantasies and erotic writing often don't translate into actual actions. For regular adults. The danger here is his age... he's developing sexually and the longer this goes on you're running the risk of having very very edgy kinks hardwired into this boy. Once that happens, its very hard to change. This kid, and this family need therapy now, and that therapist better be ok working with sexual issues. Also, and it sounds like you've already tried to convince your son, but your son needs to DTMFA! That woman is not doing the family any good at all!

[Ser_not_appearing_yet]

So, has the kid ever had other interests? Maybe you could take him to a ball game, I dunno. Sounds like he needs to get out of the house.

[Phantom]

Not especialy different. He could have used fictional characters and the writing would have been thematically the same; the product of a kid with a developing sexuality and some MAJOR family issues. The latter is what needs therapeutic correction; more than likely the other issues will become much more manageable.

There's a big difference between when you're writing about some character you made up and writing about anally screwing your own mother.

One is character background/development. The other is fantasizing about raping your mother.

[Lord O' Bones]

There's a big difference between when you're writing about some character you made up and writing about anally screwing your own mother.

One is character background/development. The other is fantasizing about raping your mother.

I'm starting to have a hard time believing you're really in Tokyo.

[Phantom]

I'm starting to have a hard time believing you're really in Tokyo.

That's the reason I'm so passionate about the subject. Goddamn business men reading porn on the train next to underage kids.

I'm not from Tokyo though. Been here four years. And I don't make a habit of visiting the...Uh...Special interest stores they've got here in East Shinjuku.

[Spastic Plastic]

I'm starting to have a hard time believing you're really in Tokyo.

Eh...I've been to Tokyo as well, and AFAIK, the otaku demographic that watches sexually deviant cartoons is very much despised by the mainstream Japanese culture.

EDIT: And the whole "businessmen reading porn on trains" thing comes from the fact that Japanese people are super-polite and will never cause a scene in public. This allows people to read tentacle porn next to children if they feel like it, and they'll get away scot-free.

[Darkostar]

One is character background/development. The other is fantasizing about raping your mother.

C'mon, for centuries authors have used thinly veiled substitutes for themselves and their loved ones. The themes in my writing would be the same if I wrote about a guy named Flan and his evil ex-girlfriend Flalyssa, or if I wrote about myself.

@LOB: :lol: If he is, he doesn't go to Akibihara.

[Spastic Plastic]

Why on earth would any sane person go to Akibahara? It's a cesspool of weirdness. I went to Roppongi instead (in fact, I barely left the place during my short stay in Japan).

[Kelli Fury]

additionally, grrm's incest writing is used to tell a much larger story and frankly is not really meant as erotica, not meant as a manifestation of his fantasies, and not coupled with jerking off in bed with his mom or into her panties. A sexual fixation on your mother is not a kink, it is a recognized psychological complex. I know a lot about having a shitty, domineering mother who never opens her mouth without abuse or criticism. I know a lot about having a physically abusive mother- healthy individuals do not react to that this way. To pretend it's nothing more than bad parenting is preventative to helping him manage his issue. In therapy it is essential you own your actions in order to change them, blaming the mother entirely will not allow that.

[MinDonner]

Eh...I've been to Tokyo as well, and AFAIK, the the demographic that watches sexually deviant cartoons is very much despised by the mainstream Japanese culture.

Uh, not really. You can pick up comics full of gang rape in pretty much any convenience store, on the lower shelves, often (or even usually?) marketed to housewives or teenage girls... it's not like you have to put on your brown mac and go to the seedy adult bookstore for this shit.

[Phantom]

Eh...I've been to Tokyo as well, and AFAIK, the otaku demographic that watches sexually deviant cartoons is very much despised by the mainstream Japanese culture.

EDIT: And the whole "businessmen reading porn on trains" thing comes from the fact that Japanese people are super-polite and will never cause a scene in public. This allows people to read tentacle porn next to children if they feel like it, and they'll get away scot-free.

"Hito ni meiwaku kakenai." Totally.

Dude Roppongi is my haven, haha. We should talk.

C'mon, for centuries authors have used thinly veiled substitutes for themselves and their loved ones. The themes in my writing would be the same if I wrote about a guy named Flan and his evil ex-girlfriend Flalyssa, or if I wrote about myself.

@LOB: :lol: If he is, he doesn't go to Akibihara.

I see your point. But are you suggesting that GRRM somehow has sexual feelings for his sister :lol:

And no. I've been to Akihabara once for a electric converter for 220 volts to 110 and there wasn't anything special since I stuck to the electric stores near the station but I've heard stories, haha.

Uh, not really. You can pick up comics full of gang rape in pretty much any convenience store, on the lower shelves, often (or even usually?) marketed to housewives or teenage girls... it's not like you have to put on your brown mac and go to the seedy adult bookstore for this shit.

I think he meant, it's not viewed in a positive light though it is, in a way, socially accepted. The adult comics sold in conbinis are usually marketed towards men between the age of 20-48, though there are female erotic comics available as well I hear.

[Spastic Plastic]

Uh, not really. You can pick up comics full of gang rape in pretty much any convenience store

Well, you probably know better than me (you said you've lived in Japan?), since I've just visited the place.

[Darkostar]

additionally, grrm's incest writing is used to tell a much larger story and frankly is not really meant as erotica, not meant as a manifestation of his fantasies, and not coupled with jerking off in bed with his mom or into her panties.

He's also not 12. :lol: If and when this kid gets therapy and sorts himself out, I'm sure his kinks won't manifest themselves in a way.

A sexual fixation on your mother is not a kink, it is a recognized psychological complex.

I'm not even sure it's sexual at this point. I think his frustration is manifesting itself in a sexual way, which is a whole different thing, y'know?

To pretend it's nothing more than bad parenting is preventative to helping him manage his issue. In therapy it is essential you own your actions in order to change them, blaming the mother entirely will not allow that.

Well, yeah, but he's gonna need someone to help him wrap his head around that concept. Again, dude's 12, yo. I wasn't very aware of my actions and the consequences thereof when I was that age, and I didn't undergo my own sexual awakening until a LONG time after that. So he's got a lot to work out for himself, and so does the rest of that family.

[Old Nan]

All kinks were "recognized psychological complexes" at one time. I'd be a lot more worried about the rape and spying and various other nonconsensual tendencies than that he wants to fuck his mother, if indeed he does.

But I'm noticing we haven't heard much about Mommy Dearest herself lately. I can imagine her reaction will be quite interesting.

[Darkostar]

All kinks were "recognized psychological complexes" at one time.

Goes both ways, though. The Greeks were boy touchers, which doesn't exactly go over well nowadays. :stillsick:

[Spastic Plastic]

Raping your mother was never accepted in any culture and will never be.

Darkostar, you're really understating the problem that's going on here.

[alguien]

Just wanted to point out that GRRM's incest has, IIRC, some historical inspiration too, specifically the Borgias with the Lannisters and Egyptian royalty with the Targaryens. So its not quite the same as fantasizing incest erotica.

[Darkostar]

Raping your mother was never accepted in any culture and will never be.

Darkostar, you're really understating the problem that's going on here.

You're misinterpreting what it's about, man. This isn't about the act of sex, it's about the anger directed towards his mother. A kid exploring his sexuality is gonna combine the two, naturally.

[Kelli Fury]

I don't know how interesting her reaction should be, so far all we've heard on that is she thinks he needs therapy and has allowed others he's more comfortable with express that for her. Without her intervention he'd still be talking to some old pedo who I'd bet is encouraging him to take pictures of underage girls so he can see them. In this situation, we have had no evidence at all of her being unreasonable about it. I know it's simpler and more comfortable to make someone in any scenario a villian, but I don't think that's warranted here or constructive.