Zoë Sumra Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Totally random thought: if someone told me there was a creature called a namble, I'd expect it to look like a fat labrador and be stupid but friendly, possibly with dribble. Similarly, I'd expect a gar to be a type of fish. Don't know why though.I take it you weren't wholly joking about that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I think we can probably agree that Card used to be a good writer but hasn't really done anything worthwhile since thankfully stopping L. Ron Hubbard from winning a Hugo Award in 1987 with Speaker for the Dead?And Empire is such an unrelentingly awful book of negative quality that it nearly cancels out the excellence of Ender's Game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I think we can probably agree that Card used to be a good writer but hasn't really done anything worthwhile since thankfully stopping L. Ron Hubbard from winning a Hugo Award in 1987 with Speaker for the Dead?And Empire is such an unrelentingly awful book of negative quality that it nearly cancels out the excellence of Ender's Game. Is empire the one where Dick Cheney has to save the world from feminism? Or is that a Ringo book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spoon Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I take it you weren't wholly joking about that part. Well, I never knew that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horselover Fat Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 I think we can probably agree that Card used to be a good writer but hasn't really done anything worthwhile since thankfully stopping L. Ron Hubbard from winning a Hugo Award in 1987 with Speaker for the Dead?Is this for real? because...shit. Why even have a Hugo Award if that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Is this for real? because...shit. Why even have a Hugo Award if that happened.For the lulz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerec Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Abercrombie claims that this was not a dig at Goodkind, but we all know the truth.In the same way that Goodkind claims he's never read Robert Jordan's novels, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Does Orson Scott Card even read the books he reviews? He's on the Blurb for Firethorn praising it and comparing it to Mary Renault. I'm pretty sure OSC wound;t like Mary Renault if he either actually read her or knew what she wrote about. He's on a lot of things that just seem...very anti him.That's not a rip on Firethorn, I haven't read it yet, I just find it weird to see him praising somethign considered feminist at all. Dude has issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBæuf Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Wow. That's a lot of prejudiced hatred against Terry Goodkind and myself, just from me innocently remarking that you are not able to know what Terry Gookding truly believes, since you're not a mind-reader. Death-chooser, sure, but certainly not a mind-reading death-chooser.Also, I sense a lot of prejudice against goats, and I can't imagine why. Most goats ARE noble creatures, as you would see if you took the time to get to know them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMountainGoat Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 What are you talking about? Everyone loves noble goats around here.Betty the goat may well be the best written and most realistic character in the entire Sword of Truth series. For real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBæuf Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Betty the goat may well be the best written and most realistic character in the entire Sword of Truth series. For real.Indeed. Goodkind writes animals very well. Betty the goat is more than just a realisticly depicted farmyard animal, she is a symbol of cheerful, childlike innocence, which is lacking in the realisticly gritty fantasy world Goodkind depicts throughout the series (at least in the first 6 books or so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spoon Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Personally I don't have anything against anyone for what they read, and certainly no reason to have anything against you.But surely there does come a point where a reader is entitled to infer a writer's views from what he writes. Say someone writes several SF novels in which all the good guys are socialists and by using socialism they save the world from tyranny. In the absence of any other information it seems reasonable to conclude that the author supports socialism. Furthermore, Goodkind has stated his beliefs in several interviews, and puts them in the same categoric "You're with us or against us" way that Richard does in the books. I accept that it could be a big sham to sell copies or whatnot, but in my opinion it seems to be beyond reasonable doubt that Goodkind's beliefs are what they seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBæuf Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 But surely there does come a point where a reader is entitled to infer a writer's views from what he writes. Say someone writes several SF novels in which all the good guys are socialists and by using socialism they save the world from tyranny. In the absence of any other information it seems reasonable to conclude that the author supports socialism. Furthermore, Goodkind has stated his beliefs in several interviews, and puts them in the same categoric "You're with us or against us" way that Richard does in the books. I accept that it could be a big sham to sell copies or whatnot, but in my opinion it seems to be beyond reasonable doubt that Goodkind's beliefs are what they seem to be.But Goodking has the RIGHT view! It's just like in the war on terror, where you're either with the terrorists, or you're against them. Personally I don't have anything against anyone for what they read, and certainly no reason to have anything against you.But if you disagree with Godkind's views, you have, in effect, chosen, whether it be quick or slow, death. This is because you fail to see the rational logical reason why the views presented by Godking are true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spoon Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Damn my feeble communist mind! Europe has corrupted my soul! The best I can hope for now is a quick, melon-sized death. Perhaps I could be one of those anonymous commies who die in the bits where "rage erupted in him, showering the night with a collectivist confetti of entrails". Better that than be singled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBæuf Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Damn my feeble communist mind! Europe has corrupted my soul! The best I can hope for now is a quick, melon-sized death. Perhaps I could be one of those anonymous commies who die in the bits where "rage erupted in him, showering the night with a collectivist confetti of entrails". Better that than be singled out.Communists collectivist-hiveminds like Obama ought to be singled out and forced to eat their own testicles and thrown into a rape-pit.And I know Obama might not be a complete communist, but he had the same mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Spoon Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 "... so he kicks the kid in the face and escapes from the sex dungeon, and then his girlfriend gets this guy and makes him eat his own balls. Then later on this army comes in, and starts raping everyone, and I mean nasty, with broomsticks and all kinds of shit, cutting people's balls off and making them eat them, all kinds. So this guy gets his sword out and starts fighting them, and he's killing everything, blood and guts and naked people all over the ceiling. And anyone who tries to stop him, he slaughters them too! Then - get this! - a bunch of nuns get raped by this dinosaur with a chainsaw instead of a dick, and they're liking it! And there's women with their boobs out, and a dude's killing whores - and did I mention the goat?""So what're you going to call it?""The Aristocrats."(Not entirely representative of the series, I know. But it had to be done.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Oh dear, LeBæuf just trolled us. Yawn.In other news, semi-related to Tairy, was this: Aatlas Shrugged pts 2 and 3 cancelled because critics were meanieheads:http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/2011/04/27/great_job_movie_critics_atlas_shrugged_producer_scrapping_plans_for_pt._2_3/I like this part and thought it especially relevant: Why should I put up all of that money if the critics are coming like lemmings? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Man, I like lemmings! They're cute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeBæuf Posted May 3, 2011 Share Posted May 3, 2011 Man, I like lemmings! They're cute!Vicious little rodents, they are. They'll scratch your face off just for looking at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted May 4, 2011 Share Posted May 4, 2011 By the way, count me in as someone who spits on Ender's Game for the overrated garbage that it is.*spits* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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