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[NO SPOILERS] EP101 Discussion

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If I can make one observation about this thread it is that anyone who has read the books should NOT post in this thread at all whatsoever.

Discussion about what has changed between book and TV is completely inappropriate in this thread and in my opinion there should be none of it here at all. People who are new to the series and only watching the show don't want to read that stuff and don't want to know.

There are several veiled hints about what might come up in future episodes/seasons. And worse some replies to the few genuine non-reader viewers we have saying "watch next week" in response to specific points which is only going to make the non-readers think about how their assumptions are wrong. In my opinion that is a spoiler.

I can understand the whole "I know what you don't know and I want to tell you you'll love it" mentality, but for those of us who have read the books the joy of the NO SPOILERS thread will be seeing the unspoiled reactions of new fans watching and enjoying the story for the first time. But the only way to maintain that is to keep things completely spoiler free which I feel this thread is not at this time.

Just my opinion on the subject but I hope others will do more to restrain themselves and take the discussion about book spoilers and differences to the appropriate threads where they belong. Thank you.

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If I can make one observation about this thread it is that anyone who has read the books should NOT post in this thread at all whatsoever.

Discussion about what has changed between book and TV is completely inappropriate in this thread and in my opinion there should be none of it here at all. People who are new to the series and only watching the show don't want to read that stuff and don't want to know.

There are several veiled hints about what might come up in future episodes/seasons. And worse some replies to the few genuine non-reader viewers we have saying "watch next week" in response to specific points which is only going to make the non-readers think about how their assumptions are wrong. In my opinion that is a spoiler.

I can understand the whole "I know what you don't know and I want to tell you you'll love it" mentality, but for those of us who have read the books the joy of the NO SPOILERS thread will be seeing the unspoiled reactions of new fans watching and enjoying the story for the first time. But the only way to maintain that is to keep things completely spoiler free which I feel this thread is not at this time.

Just my opinion on the subject but I hope others will do more to restrain themselves and take the discussion about book spoilers and differences to the appropriate threads where they belong. Thank you.

I disagree that people that have read the books shouldn't be posting in this thread. New viewers are sometimes asking questions that can only be answered by information in the book. For example I think it's fine to say why Benjen could come to Winterfell as that will likely not be explained in any detail.

I do, however, agree that things that will likely come up in the series, plus changes from book to show, has no place here. The former are of course spoilers for the show and the latter are spoilers for the book and it's not at all unlikely that someone will want to pick it up after they've watched this season.

For example, the top post on this page is a clear spoiler because we are not supposed to know that yet.

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Concerning the sex in this episode, in my opinion, it is done just right. We are shown what's going on in a very unapologetic fashion without having to sit through any prolonged humping. This does not resemble pornography in any way.

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Concerning the sex in this episode, in my opinion, it is done just right. We are shown what's going on in a very unapologetic fashion without having to sit through any prolonged humping. This does not resemble pornography in any way.

That I agree with. There weren't really much at all when it came to sex scenes, we just saw build ups with some naked bodies and the rest was either not shown or very covered up. Not really close to what we saw in True Blood, to name one example.

People that weren't odd in some way still felt really modest, not least for a land not plagued by Christianity and it's revolt against the morals of the Roman empire.

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No. You were not the only one. They were okay -- good even. But not worthy of all the gushing I thought.

I thought the, faceted Wall and the castle machine gears were out of sync with the story and feel of the movie. I do like the map and believe it helps famiiarize the viewer with Westeros

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[mod] Let's try to keep it clean, guys [/mod]

Dude... I don't even know who you are anymore.

My friends have taken to calling it "Westeros-style" instead of "doggy-style".

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I had a chance to watch it last night after the playoff games. I was a little leery because of the boards here. However, upon watching I did not think the show was any more offensive than any other show on television. Someone mentioned True Blood, and ya, that has more graphic nudity and violence I think. Remember someone being beaten to death with their own leg?

Well, that's not necessarily a good defence but there you go.

As to the show, I thought the characters were effectively played by the actors involved. There were no big surprises. I don't know though. I have read the books, well, dozens of times by now, so my mind is filling in the blanks.

I think the tone was right but the intro...In the book the older Night's Watch guy was the one who escaped and went mad. I think that was effective as he was a grizzled vet. The young guy escaping is not as good. In addition, he was still quite coherent when he talked to Eddard, to the point where I consider Eddard to be an idiot for not investigating further. Well, I will just fan wank that he talked privately with Benjen at the dinner.

Well, I don't think I've spoiled anything, and I did enjoy it, but had a few quibbles.

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haha can't believe there are guys complaining that there are too much boobs and doggie style sex scenes lol .... so far the tv series is pretty much as good as it could possibly be (without including every single scene which just isn't feasible) and fits very closely to the books imo

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As to the show, I thought the characters were effectively played by the actors involved. There were no big surprises. I don't know though. I have read the books, well, dozens of times by now, so my mind is filling in the blanks.

Good comments, Withering. Curious....I've seen others mention reading these books multiple times but never dozens. If I may be so bold, why exactly would one read any book that many times?

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Good comments, Withering. Curious....I've seen others mention reading these books multiple times but never dozens. If I may be so bold, why exactly would one read any book that many times?

Well, they are really good books. Also, I guess when I read, especially a reread, I read very quickly and filter some stuff out that I remember clearly or I don't find to be as important to the story. I've probably only read Feast six or seven times, but it only takes me a few hours to read a book. It's really my only skill in life.

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Alright, I'll just drop the bomb and say it.

Emilya Clark is fat and chubby!!

Did not attract me at all. :stillsick:

Nothing like what Danny is supposed to be!

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Alright, I'll just drop the bomb and say it.

Emilya Clark is fat and chubby!!

Did not attract me at all. :stillsick:

Nothing like what Danny is supposed to be!

Man, you must have known some real stick insects in your life if you're saying that

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Alright, I'll just drop the bomb and say it.

Emilya Clark is fat and chubby!!

Did not attract me at all. :stillsick:

Nothing like what Danny is supposed to be!

Um...okay. If that actress is fat and chubby, I'd like to see who's not, in your opinion. :stunned:

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I found that the nudity and sex was fine considering the source material and the network producing it. I did think the camera seemed a smidgen laughable when it dipped down to show Daenerys' butt one last time while she was watching Viserys leave the chamber. It was an elegant waist-up shot after already showing her entire body to us, so it seemed amateurish to lower the frame just to show off her ass again. We were laughing in my house.

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Alright, I'll just drop the bomb and say it.

Emilya Clark is fat and chubby!!

Did not attract me at all. :stillsick:

Nothing like what Danny is supposed to be!

Insanity. She's gorgeous, although one of my friends said she wasn't "alien looking" enough (I guess the Targaryen's are supposed to be so beautiful as to seem otherworldly), but I disagree. My biggest complaint with Dany/Viserys is the lack of violet eyes, and really that doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would.

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Good comments, Withering. Curious....I've seen others mention reading these books multiple times but never dozens. If I may be so bold, why exactly would one read any book that many times?

These books really lend themselves to rereadings.

First of all, as you've already noticed, there's a gazillion characters and the plot is really complicated. I was pretty confused for much of the first book, and rereading it, everything made more sense.

But more importantly, you just notice so much more when you reread it. On the first reading, you're just trying to keep track of characters and plot, so you miss a lot. A lot of things that seems like minor, insignificant details on first reading, take on more significance when you reread. There's a lot of depth and complexity to the story that most people don't notice on first reading. And there are plenty of details that, although not significant (I think), are really amusing.

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Insanity. She's gorgeous, although one of my friends said she wasn't "alien looking" enough (I guess the Targaryen's are supposed to be so beautiful as to seem otherworldly), but I disagree. My biggest complaint with Dany/Viserys is the lack of violet eyes, and really that doesn't bother me as much as I thought it would.

Yeah, I'm actually glad the contacts didn't work. Dany and Viserys already look fairly weird and "fantasy-esque" with those wigs. Anything more might have pushed things into the absurd.

Re. Dany's looks, I also think The Inquisitor's crazy to call her fat and chubby, but there's something to what he says. After she was done gagging at the gratuitous ass-shot, my wife said, "well at least she looks like a real woman".

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Re. Dany's looks, I also think The Inquisitor's crazy to call her fat and chubby, but there's something to what he says. After she was done gagging at the gratuitous ass-shot, my wife said, "well at least she looks like a real woman".

Exactly, there's nothing at all wrong with women who don't look like Dachau survivors.

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