marwyn Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 So, thanks to GRRM's new NaB post about DwD it seems we can finally put together a final PoV list. There's 16 in total, not including the prologue or epilogue characters.Prologue character: Varamyr Sixskins- Tyrion- Jon- Daenerys- Davos- Bran- Reek- Asha- Victarion (Gotta be Victarion and Asha, since Aeron is confirmed to not be in the book, and there'd be 3 old ironborn PoV's)- Cersei- Melisandre- Arya- Barristan- Jaime- Quentyn- Areo Hotah (there would be "one old dornish PoV, one new". I figure the new one is Quentyn, and the old one is not Arianne since she won't be in the book. Since Arys is dead, that leaves Hotah)- One more new PoV (this one has to be new since he said there'd be 4 new viewpoint characters introduced: Mel, Barristan, Quentyn, and this guy. So it seems we're left with yet another new "Mystery PoV"Epilogue character: No clue (Epilogue confirmed though)We got a lot of info about the amounts of chapters as well: there's 73 chapters in 1510 MS pages, which I think is quite nice. It means the chapters on average are shorter than in FfC (but still longer than in GoT,CoK,and SoS). Also almost half of the book will be given to Jon, Tyrion, and Dany.All in all, the not a blog post is a very interesting read, giving a lot of details about the writing process of DwD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrogant Bastard Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 - either Areo Hotah or Arys Oakheart (there would be "one old dornish PoV, one new". I figure the new one is Quentyn, and the old one is not Arianne since she won't be in the book. That leaves these two)Awesome. Highly doubt that the old dornish PoV is Arys Oakheart; I believe he's dead. So that leaves Areo Hotah or Arianne, who apparently won't be in the book, so I guess it's Hotah. I'm surprised Jaime has a POV chapter, I thought I heard he wasn't going to have one. I'm hoping the new Mystery POV is someone in the Vale or connected to Sansa or Littlefinger, just so get to read about them. Looks like over half the book will be Jon, Tyrion, Dany, and Theon chapters. Damn, July 12th can't come soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marwyn Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 Awesome. Highly doubt that the old dornish PoV is Arys Oakheart; I believe he's dead. So that leaves Areo Hotah or Arianne, who apparently won't be in the book, so I guess it's Hotah. I'm surprised Jaime has a POV chapter, I thought I heard he wasn't going to have one. I'm hoping the new Mystery POV is someone in the Vale or connected to Sansa or Littlefinger, just so get to read about them. Looks like over half the book will be Jon, Tyrion, Dany, and Theon chapters. Damn, July 12th can't come soon enough.Thanks for pointing out that Arys oakheart is dead. I totally forgot that he got killed.It could also be that he doesn't count Quentyn as a Dornish PoV. That would make the last one from Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songlian Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Cersei and Jaime will have chapters as well, though... be warned... not a lot of them.Trying to read between the lines, I wonder if this means death for one of the Lannisters or just that they have few chapters in Dance. That said... I'd prefer it if the new Dornish POV is one of the Sand Snakes. Can't see it happening, though. In any case, sixteen POVs is quite a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Été Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Trying to read between the lines, I wonder if this means death for one of the Lannisters or just that they have few chapters in Dance. This book will have to have UnGregor vs the Church's champion so at least Cersei's chapters will be action-packed. Hoping she bites it though. It would be cool if the valonquar turned out to be Sandor Clegane."Sansa, Sam, Aeron Damphair, Arianne, and Brienne have no chapters in A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Several of those characters had chapters written, completed, and polished that have been moved into THE WINDS OF WINTER. "Really hope Jaime's POV doesn't start with Brienne's untimely end :(When was Davos confirmed?Re: The three ironborn POVs - I was including Reek in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrick Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 We got a lot of info about the amounts of chapters as well: there's 73 chapters in 1510 MS pages, which I think is quite nice. It means the chapters on average are shorter than in FfC (but still longer than in GoT,CoK,and SoS). Also almost half of the book will be given to Jon, Tyrion, and Dany.All in all, the not a blog post is a very interesting read, giving a lot of details about the writing process of DwD.I am glad that the chapters aren't going to all be real long as I can't stand super long chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastard of Godsgrace Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Strangely enough, George's post doesn't mention Davos. Since his chapters were read before, it doesn't seem likely he is not a POV, so I assume it is simple mistake. I took "two new POVs" to be people we never heard of, but I agree one of them is probably Quentyn, so it most likely mean "people who were mentioned, but never seen". It rather excludes Sarella and Marwyn who were mentioned in other thread as possibilities, since both were onstage in AFFC, if only briefly. Since we don't know where this new POV appears, it really may be anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauron The Small Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Hope it wont be years till we find out if Brienne died or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Strangely enough, George's post doesn't mention Davos. Since his chapters were read before, it doesn't seem likely he is not a POV, so I assume it is simple mistake.But Davos has to be in the book. Martin says we have 12 returning viewpoints and 4 new viewpoints. In total, we had 20 POV-Characters throughout the whole series. Three of them are dead (Eddard, Catelyn, Arys) and five are definately not in the book (Brienne, Samwell, Sansa, Aeron, Arianne), which leaves us with 12 characters, which will all have chapters in ADwD. I think Martin just forgot Davos and instead mentioned Theon twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teabag Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Hope it wont be years till we find out if Brienne died or not...If she has chapters written I think it's safe to say she's alive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurararaFTW Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Guess our mystery POV is not Osha then, hope she doesn't die in the epilogue instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaKing Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Is a POV of Alleras/Sarella possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon the Epithetless Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Is a POV of Alleras/Sarella possible?I don't think so as George mentioned that: And there are some new viewpoint characters. Some of them are new CHARACTERS, introduced for the first time in this book. Others are established characters, but new VIEWPOINTS; they have been around, but you've never gone inside their heads before. So some of the 4 new Viewpoints are new characters. With Melisandre and Barristan we have the established characters, Quentyn makes one of the new characters (mentioned but off-screen, definitely not established) so the other new viewpoint can not be a previously seen character. Sarella/Alleras has been on-screen so I don't think she's the one.I think the last one is completely new, maybe one of the Golden Company? or someone previously mentioned but unseen from the Vale? (Harry the Heir?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Hurley Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 So much to take away from this :DIt seems the returning character who's a bit worse for wear is hinted at Theon/Reek but it'd be a nice surprise to have a Cat point of view. Nothing to say about Brienne's death unfortunately as he says "several" of these characters have chapters in the next book but not her specifically.I'm surprised no one has yet taken the article apart piece by piece and dissected it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Is a POV of Alleras/Sarella possible?That would be ruled out by the 'one old Dornish POV and one new' - Quentyn Martell is the new so Sarella can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 It seems the returning character who's a bit worse for wear is hinted at Theon/Reek but it'd be a nice surprise to have a Cat point of view.But Cat wouldn't be an "old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books". The only two candidates are Theon or Eddard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horza Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Hmm, just realised: with no Sam and no Sarella we aren't getting anything from the Citadel, unless Mystery POV turns out to be Jaqen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurararaFTW Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 But Cat wouldn't be an "old POV character who has been missing for a couple of books". The only two candidates are Theon or Eddard.Well there's Bran counting by UK releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marwyn Posted May 20, 2011 Author Share Posted May 20, 2011 I am glad that the chapters aren't going to all be real long as I can't stand super long chapters.Actually this made me very happy as well. I know it doesn't have to say a whole lot about the book.. but in my opinion it's still a good sign. More story in less pages, might mean the book is more plot-oriented than aFfC was, and that is kinda what the series needs again.As for the identity of the other PoV: I'm not entirely sure it HAS to be someone who we've never met, because there is already one person who fits that description (Quentyn) and GRRM might just not have worded it very carefully. Also I'm not entirely sure if Quentyn is the new Dornish PoV. He is Dornish, but he won't be in Dorne this book. So the new PoV might also be a Dornish person.Alleras/Sarella, I don't know about that. I think if GRRM wanted to show us what's happening in Oldtown he might as well have used Sam, and we know Sam isn't in the book.An interesting option to consider may be Marwyn. Although he's someone we've already met, but I think it'd be nice to have so many PoV's slowly converging towards Dany. We'll have Victarion, Quentyn, Tyrion and Marwyn all going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 Well there's Bran counting by UK releases.I'm pretty sure that Martin isn't considering UK releases :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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