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Loved it, aside from the porn scene. I'm okay with "grown up" television, but there has to be a line somewhere, and this episode clearly crossed it. "Play with her ass....", really? I hope the producers are hearing this feedback. Petyr's speech itself was great, however.

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Another episode that nailed the pivotal final scene. Poor Ned just keeps stumbling into situations where he's outmanned 15-1. I'm sure if he entered the joust he'd somehow end up riding against an entire cavalry unit.

Think Iain Glenn deserves a shout-out for being picture perfect week to week. He is Jorah Mormont...he inhabits the character. Can't wait to see him as Obi-Wan in the next Star Wars remake.

The Jon scenes are authentic in that they bore me in the exact same way they did in the books. Definitely didn't miss the lack of Jon the last couple episodes - always the most dreaded chapters for me, especially book one in where Jon spends 98% of his time whining. However, as insult to injury, my favorite character on the Wall, Maester Aemon is also the worst casting in the series thus far IMO.

Speaking of maesters, brutal dig by Maester Luwin on Theon. Was, like, "Oh, snap!" And from maybe the most unexpected source possible.

Have mixed feelings on the Tywin-Jaime scene. Another scene we never saw in the books, and thought the skinning of the Baratheon Stag was both nice symbolism and a hint into Tywin's ruthlessness. That said, the actor doesn't yet inhabit Tywin's unique form of badassery. Somehow wanted to see him be cooler, more emotionless. That said, really liked the brief shot of the Lannister encampment - really captured the sense of scale that I felt was missing from earlier scenes. Bodes well for the future battles.

Maybe it's just me but Dany is getting hotter every week.

I missed seeing Lancel this week. His wardrobe is consistently the funniest thing in this series.

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Loved this episode. Most exciting one yet. All the added scenes were great. Charles Dance is absolutely amazing. I'm now wishing that Tyrion didn't kill him. Absolutely cannot wait to see the scene where Tywin hears the news of Jaime's capture.

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Good episode.

Not much to complain about other than Littlefinger. IMO, this is the worst casting and acting in the series. They really missed the boat with this guy.

Sorry bro, but you're out of your mind. Littlefinger is perfect. Witty, sly, unassuming, perfect.

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I understand the challenge faced by Aiden Gillen. LF could easily become a cartoon. Snidely Whiplash with a mockingbird. So he has to play things down. I think he's doing a great job.

I also agree with Sergio - Charles Dance is great. I can't imagine Lord Tywin actually skinning a stag in the middle of battle preparations, so I don't agree 100% with the directorial decision, but I DO think he'd know how and he'd do it cleanly, efficiently and properly if he did. Dance was amazing.

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I've loved every episode so far. All of it. It's beyond my wildest expectations.

Drogo's speech was awesome and gave me chickenskin. I had to go out to my garage and do a few rounds on the heavy bag, I was feeling so pumped up! Total fantasy geek/pseudo-tough guy right here!

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His wardrobe is consistently the funniest thing in this series.

His wardrobe and hair remind me of Edward the spoony bard from Final Fantasy IV. All he needs is a harp. If anyone here has played that game they'll know what I mean.

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the fact that the brothel scene has been universally panned as gratuitous makes me wonder how the director/writers could not have seen what we saw. That whole scene was just painful.

The rest was great, enjoyed Dance as Tywin the most.

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You can't say the scene was 'universally panned'. There's plenty of people who didn't have an issue with it, or liked it for the symbolism it provided for Littlefinger's exposition. .

Anyway, loved the episode. Will be interesting to see what GRRM comes up with for next week.

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You can't say the scene was 'universally panned'. There's plenty of people who didn't have an issue with it, or liked it for the symbolism it provided for Littlefinger's exposition. .

Not in my universe. Here, it was panned.

(I do actually appreciate the challenge to the writers - how to frame expository speeches in a way that doesn't become tedious. There are a lot of them and have to be a lot of them. But this one was jarring.)

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I thought the porno-scene was pretty good myself.

I love how he's all 'blah de blah' 'play with her ass' 'blah de blah'. Cracked me up.

I do love hot chicks being all naked and stuff though...

I usually associate with non-readers in regards to the series, and they're loving it beyond reason.

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Am I the only person in the world who really, really loved the Littlefinger sexposition scene? I don't care whether he would/would not talk that frankly to any of his whores, and I don't care that it was more (oh, no!) sex. Littlefinger knows about screwing people over, and making them like it, and that's what that scene was about for me.

Liked the Tywin scene, though not as much as the Littlefinger scene. That looked like a real stag he was really skinning; if it was, I sure hope they ate it! (And did they have to pay him extra to do that? Ew!)

It was a real deer all right, but it wasn't real guts.

I like a bit of subtlety in my symbolism. The whore scene had none. The Tywin stag skinning had none either. And clearly both scenes offended people's sensibilities.

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People are bitching about LF because of the character he is... Think about it, he is not a person you would trust or befriend because he doesn't care about anyone. So why complain about the role? It's who he is. The guy is a shmuck in the books and I think the actor is on par with his portrayal. Sure, somethings are off, but this isn't a guy your supposed to cheer for, so just role with it.

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His wardrobe and hair remind me of Edward the spoony bard from Final Fantasy IV. All he needs is a harp. If anyone here has played that game they'll know what I mean.

:laugh: That's PERFECT! Now if only some weakass old man would come in and try to beat him up with a rod/staff.

I really enjoyed the episode on the whole, but I did not like the Littlefinger scene. Not because of the nudity (I don't care about that), but more because I felt like his betrayal of Ned might have been a bit more shocking to newbies if they hadn't just seen this bit that basically says, "This guy here? He's a slimy dick who can't be trusted."

Other than that, I enjoyed it. Tywin isn't exactly how I pictured him physically, but I have a feeling I'm going to dig the character if that scene is anything to go by. This was among my favorite episodes so far, despite the absence of both Dinklage and Maisie, who have been two of the real standouts in the fist season.

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The Jon scenes are authentic in that they bore me in the exact same way they did in the books. Definitely didn't miss the lack of Jon the last couple episodes - always the most dreaded chapters for me, especially book one in where Jon spends 98% of his time whining. However, as insult to injury, my favorite character on the Wall, Maester Aemon is also the worst casting in the series thus far IMO.

:agree:

Like looking into a mirror.

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Was lukewarm on the episode - nothing that really drove me crazy, but definitely not as good as last weeks and none of the scenes blew me away with awesomeness. I thought there were a lot of unnecessary characterization changes.

Enjoyed the Tywin scene. It was a good introduction and a good way to keep Jaime current.

I had a hard time with Cersei this episode, felt like she was an actress delivering lines instead of a person having a conversation.

As a book fan, I can't possibly condone the characterization of Littlefinger running his mouth about his feelings for Cat to his new whore.

Robert's death was fine but lacked the intensity of the his conversation with Ned the previous week.

I don't like how Osha is being portrayed. I find her voice crazy annoying and her character overacted.

Jon is a twat, and I'm fine with this, I'd be disappointed if he weren't. Why is he not wearing all black? I like Sam 1000% more than in the books though - it's better not to be stuck in certain people's heads. Jon doesn't deserve a friend like him, but hey, Jon rarely deserves anything he gets.

Renly is also a twat, and an idiot if he thought that declaring his desire for kingship to Ned would win him any support. I like book Renly much better, and his plan to help Ned become the real power as regent was a much better idea. But unlike several people, I thought that Littlefinger was great.

I don't find Dany or the Dothraki convincing in any way.

Poor Ned, it's hard to watch him sometimes. He seemed so clueless and outmatched just like he should. But another Littlefinger mischaracterization.

Yeah people who don't like nitpickers can go... Well you know... Sorry I wasn't that impressed with this episode. It wasn't bad, but I thought that last week was really well done, and neither the scenes nor the acting in this one compared well.

Concern for the end of the season: don't feel at this point any particular liking for Robb or feel any reason to root for him in what comes next. In this, I feel the same way with the show as with the book, but think it's a flaw in the book that the show could have improved upon.

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Another fantastic episode. I love the Night's Watch scenes the most, I've found. I wasn't very happy with the gratuitous sex scene though, and I suspect that Rahm Emanuel would make a far better Littlefinger (not a compliment to Mr. Emanuel). The only thing I'm truly unhappy with overall is the actor they chose for Renly Baratheon, as he's too much of a stereotypical weak and effeminate gay person. It's been a while since I read the books, but I remember Renly as being almost as manly as Robert, and with a huge mane of black hair. Regardless of this, thumbs up... this will probably be my favourite TV-series until the day I die.

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One of the theme's in the series is that honour gets you nowhere. Men with honour only really find success when they team up with unhonourable people... see Jon with Samwell, Stannis with Davos, and Tyrion with Bronn.

But having no honour bears heavily on some people. Jamie eventually turns on Cersei in part because he cannot handle being held without honour by most men that have it. It was a bit understated in their brief scene together but Barristan despised Jamie for stabbing Aerys in the back.

Jon and Samwell? I'm not sure I'd agree with that .... the whole baby-switching business tells you that Jon isn't an honorable as Ned Stark - which is probably exactly what he needs to survive and why Ned didn't...

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Sorry bro, but you're out of your mind. Littlefinger is perfect. Witty, sly, unassuming, perfect.

His voice is almost monotone and his delivery is mostly flat and lifeless. I guess it is my own prejudice but this guy is nothing like the Littlefinger I pictured and has done little to change my mind, unlike some of the other casting choices.

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