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A newbie when it come to the genre but would make some recommendations (my favorite is ASOIAF, obviously):

The Wheel of Time (Robert Jordan) - I absolutely loved it. It is the most epic saga I have ever read. I think that it gets a lot of stick from some people, and most of it is unwarranted. Saying that, it has some problems and if you decide to read it, then be warned, book 9 and book 10 aren't good. But on the end, I was extremely satisifed.

The Kingkiller Chronicles (Patrick Rothfuss) - Only 2 books so far. The first book 'Name of the Wind' is absolutely fantastic, on par with ASOIAF. The second book is decent too.

The Lord of the Rings (JRR Tolkien) - I didn't like it that much, but it needs to be read even if it is for historical reasons. It is quite a decent reading but IMO not as good as ASOIAF/WoT and a few others. I regretted reading The Hobbit, absolutely hated it.

A Raven's Shadow (Anthony Ryan) - Two books so far. I liked the first book a lot, and the second one is quality too. It has a similar narrative structure as The Name of the Wind and so got compared to it, which I think helped its sale.

Mistborn (Brandon Sanderson) - Sanderson is the best author when it comes to creating magic systems. He is also very good at making shocking moments, twists and has some decent characters. The writting isn't that great and some things are oversimplified though.

The First Law (Joe Abercrombie) - Probably the closest thing to ASOIAF, although it is much simpler (less characters etc). It is griddy, dark and has a lot of black humour. The characters are even more gray than in ASOIAF.

To do list:

- Half a King - Read and loved the first two books on The Shattered Sea. Great books.

- The Black Company

- Tigana - Fantastic book and cannot imagine how a standalone fantasy book can be better.

- Malazan Book of the Fallen

- The Broken Empire - Unfortunately, I didn't love that much these books. The third part is really great, but I struggled on the second book. The first one was ok though.

- The Stormlight Archive

- Gentleman Bastards

- Night Angel

- Prince of Nothing

- The Dark Tower

Edit: Edited with the descriptions of the new books I've read since I made this post.

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A newbie when it come to the genre but would make some recommendations (my favorite is ASOIAF, obviously):

The Wheel of Time (Robert Jordan) - I absolutely loved it. It is the most epic saga I have ever read. I think that it gets a lot of stick from some people, and most of it is unwarranted. Saying that, it has some problems and if you decide to read it, then be warned, book 9 and book 10 aren't good. But on the end, I was extremely satisifed.

The Kingkiller Chronicles (Patrick Rothfuss) - Only 2 books so far. The first book 'Name of the Wind' is absolutely fantastic, on par with ASOIAF. The second book is decent too.

The Lord of the Rings (JRR Tolkien) - I didn't like it that much, but it needs to be read even if it is for historical reasons. It is quite a decent reading but IMO not as good as ASOIAF/WoT and a few others. I regretted reading The Hobbit, absolutely hated it.

A Raven's Shadow (Anthony Ryan) - Two books so far. I liked the first book a lot, and the second one is quality too. It has a similar narrative structure as The Name of the Wind and so got compared to it, which I think helped its sale.

Mistborn (Brandon Sanderson) - Sanderson is the best author when it comes to creating magic systems. He is also very good at making shocking moments, twists and has some decent characters. The writting isn't that great and some things are oversimplified though.

The First Law (Joe Abercrombie) - Probably the closest thing to ASOIAF, although it is much simpler (less characters etc). It is griddy, dark and has a lot of black humour. The characters are even more gray than in ASOIAF.

To do list:

- Half a King

- The Black Company

- Tigana

- Malazan Book of the Fallen

- The Broken Empire

- The Stormlight Archive

- Gentleman Bastards

- Night Angel

- Prince of Nothing

- The Dark Tower

I'm going to have to check out this First Law thing.

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I hear you're a great fan of tie-in fiction peterbound. Might I suggest Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 brands? Sound like something you'd enjoy.



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I'm going to have to check out this First Law thing.

Well worth it.

I don't know, unJon.

I don't know the poster peterbound, but I would recommend that he/she familiarizes themselves a bit more with the SFF genre before trying First Law. It incorporates some themes and tropes that could be jarring to the uninitiated reader. To wit, rather then using traditional black and white narratives, it is more "grey" in that it's not crystal-clear who is good and who is bad. It also attempts to subvert some other traditional narratives, and I actually suspect that the author did this deliberately.

I guess I shouldn't say more, but I would just hate to see a reader take on too much too soon if that makes sense.

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I don't know, unJon.

I don't know the poster peterbound, but I would recommend that he/she familiarizes themselves a bit more with the SFF genre before trying First Law. It incorporates some themes and tropes that could be jarring to the uninitiated reader. To wit, rather then using traditional black and white narratives, it is more "grey" in that it's not crystal-clear who is good and who is bad. It also attempts to subvert some other traditional narratives, and I actually suspect that the author did this deliberately.

I guess I shouldn't say more, but I would just hate to see a reader take on too much too soon if that makes sense.

Sound advice.

Mayhaps I will take the advice of the kind poster up thread and delve into the 'tie in' novels people speak so highly of.

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Vlad Taltos series is excellent. Quick reads with interesting plots, good world building, and cool characters. Not as in depth as ASOIAF, but definitely worth reading.


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Night Angel is YA that gets progressively worse with each volume. If you are interested in Weeks, check out his Black Prism. I recommend A Land Fit for Heroes by Richard Morgan. Book one is The Steel Remains. Excellent sword and sorcery.



Yes, oversimplification is what made me put down The Way of Kings.


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Piers Anthony Incarnations of Immortality Series.



Yes it's the famous/infamous author of the Xanth series. But this series is from his earlier works which is above average so don't dismiss it too quickly.



It's fantasy with some sci-fi elements. Particularly like the book on Satan (Evil). It's about humans who are recruited to hold the below "jobs" for a period and be the Incarnations or personnifications. You get a book for each. They are still humans despite them doing such an important job, so it affects how the job is done. I recommend reading in sequence.



Death - Went on strike and refuses to collect souls to save his girlfriend. As a result no one can die.


Time - He has to live backwards in time. So he is actually taking over from his predessor. This is one of the most interesting sci-fi cum fantasy book conceptually. And it works.


Fate - They weave the tapestry of fate. 3 women, the maiden, the mother and the crone has to share 1 body. (IMO this is a shit job.)


War -


Nature - All powerful. Got seduced by Satan iirc.


Evil - The next person replaces Lucifer and calls himself Satan.


God -




Add: There's another one for Night. It's published long after the series ended and I just discovered it.


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Night Angel is YA that gets progressively worse with each volume. If you are interested in Weeks, check out his Black Prism. I recommend A Land Fit for Heroes by Richard Morgan. Book one is The Steel Remains. Excellent sword and sorcery.

Yes, oversimplification is what made me put down The Way of Kings.

I'm not sure what kind of YA you read, but Night Angel is definitely NOT YA. The protagonist is a YA, the prose is immature, but I wouldn't be comfortable giving it to a YA and it's definitely not marketed as such. With that said, I enjoyed it for the fast pace and interesting concepts; despite the very obvious flaws.

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Yeah despite varying extreme opinions on Night Angel, it certainly isn't YA. I mean, the main theme of the books is child abuse, ffs.

Edit: Oh, it's Mr Robin Hobb is YA even though I've never read any of it. Never mind.

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Lol. You forgot one of the other threads where I mentioned I'd read Assassin's Apprentice up to the point where

it was revealed that Galen is Queen Desire's bastard.



I really haven't read Night Angel beyond the series first two chapters.


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Night Angel is YA that gets progressively worse with each volume.

I really haven't read Night Angel beyond the series first two chapters.

These two statements are completely irreconcilable - you either read it and it got worse, or you didn't read past the first two chapters - an alternative might be you are just making this stuff up based on Goodreads and popular opinion?

I think Assassins Apprentice is closer to YA than Night Angel, but still definitely not YA.The opening to Nights Angel sees some child mutilation - not really what I would call YA...

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Alfred Coppel. One series he wrote is The Goldwing Cycle 1. Glory 2.Glorys' People 3. Glory's War. A tale of the last Goldwing Starship. Massive machines that sailed the currents of space. Crewed by humans and sentient cats.


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I cannot find a single thing to read since Song of Ice and Fire and the Dunk and Egg novels. Martin seems to have ruined me for fantasy. Previous to Martin my favorite books were LOTR, and I'd been searching all of my life to find something that held a candle to Tolkien.
I've read tons of fantasy books but all of them, including WoT, just seemed like copies of Tolkien or Howard until I read Martin.
Enter Malazan Book of the Fallen. It was recommended on several sites for Martin fans...and I just don't get it. There are people out there who actually think this book is better than Martin's?
I mean...the guy TELLS, not shows...unless we need to know something to make us understand what's going on, and then he TELLs us nothing.
Is there any reason I need the "Little did 'Sail know that her boyfriend would be dead in 2 hours."
With sentences like those, he not only steps out of 3rd person limited and suddenly is omniscient...but why did we need to be told like we are hearing a "Three Little Bears" narrative from our grandmother?
That's not post-modernism. It's just poor writing- I would get a D- in creative writing 101 if I stepped out of my chosen POV AND deliberately TOLD instead of using some foreshadowing at least.
But we don't even need to have any foreshadowing for this particular instance; Erickson tells us what's going to happened and then describes it happeneing- we really only need one or the other.
I'm sure Erickson's world-building is awesome like everyone says it is- but can he WRITE?
Switching back and forth between character viewpoints and between limited and omniscient view point, deux ex machinas en masse, telling when he should be showing and silence when he should be telling...I just don't think he'd pass the writing courses I've gone through. I've heard him comaperd to post-modernist like Pynchon but I've read Pynchon and I can tell you that when he plays with literary convention it has a PURPOSE and you can tell immediately. When Erickson does it I wonder where the editor to this series was, and how a publishing house looked past it when accepting the work.
But at least it gives me hope to get my fantasy work published...if you don't even need to know the rules of Creative Writing 101 and can still employ deuc ex machine in a modern work and have it published...if you don't even need to have character development or even any explanation of what the book is ABOUT in the first 1000 pages...hell I've got a shot after all!

Plus ...I'm told he finally explains his magic system in the third book or so? Until then we just have to drudge through it like it's a lazy solve-all, akin to Batman's never-ending supply of Bat tools, premade for every situation under the sun? And there's different schools of magic but they all seem the same just from different Wards (whatever those are)? Someone help me out here...I'm on page 100 and thinking of looking for another book with which to await Winds of Winter.

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Joe Lyon Laydon,



Honestly if you are wanting something Tolkienesque then I would recommend The Second Apocalypse by Bakker. Probably the closest thing I have read to Tolkien in terms of scriptural style. Not for everyone but I love it.


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Erickson is not for everyone. I don't like it either, but a friend of mine thinks they are the best books ever written, regardless of genre.

Have you tried Robin Hobb, Joe Abercrombie, Daniel Abraham, Scott Lynch, or Mark Lawrence? I loved all of these and would put them on the same level as Martin.

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Thank you guys for the recommendations.


I've been trying to get into Best Served Cold by Abercrombie and the first Malazan book.


Got farther along on the Abercrombie, then went back to rereading Martin. Then went back to Malazan.


I always seem to start looking for something else when I hit a Sansa chapter- they were all good the first time but the second time it's a little laborious.


I think I may have started with the wrong Abercrombie story- great writing but it seems to just be a revenge tale.


At least I know Abercrombie understands why we don't skip points of view mid-paragraph and tell the plot before it happens!


I'll check out Bakker, thanks! What is Abercrombie's best work?



I really liked Thomas Covenant except for some of the stupid names like Lord Foul...names like Darken Maul also really irk me.

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