Windchaser Posted July 17, 2011 Share Posted July 17, 2011 Oh, goodness. I just finished this chapter and am filled with glee that must be expressed!Goodbye, Janos Slynt and good riddance to bad rubbish! *dances*I didn't see the change to beheading to be just a Ned homage, it is after all how they deal with deserters of the Watch. Slynt was one small step away from deserting as is (heck, Jon suspected he would if he forced him off to Greyguard.) and couldn't one see such disrespect and disobedience as a kind of desertion?I loved the little moment shared with Stannis at the end. Do I sense approval from the last surviving Baratheon brother? :DSeems to me that Jon and Stannis will be very interesting to follow through the rest of this book.I was among those who thought it was nice to see the first part of this chapter mirror the corresponding Sam chapter in AFFC. I always thought Jon seemed so...hard and unpleasant when I read Feast, but now that I could look inside Jon's head through it I fully understood why that was the case.Bless you Maester Aemon. May Daenerys be just as wise as you.(And now I need to borrow AFFC off my brothers so I can re-read the two chapters at the same time, stealing that idea from user Doran.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duck Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 until now, this chapter its one of my favorites, the internal monologue was AMAZING! and for me, showing jon's side of the conversation was very clever of Martin.although, jon its getting A LOT like Ned.... this could end up being a problem :agree: I like the POV from 2 very different people, and GRRM nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calibandar Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I thought the conversation between Bowen Marsh and Jon about what to do with the Wall was very interesting. Jon conceeds that Bowen makes sense, but it goes against his own istincts to no longer send out rangers. Bowen is saying they should fill up the gates and have their eyes be the sentries on top of the wall, because the gates are the Wall's weakness. Bowen made a very strong case, especially since most of the rangers sent out get killed. We will see if Jon is right to keep the gates and keep sending rangers out, or if Bowen's advise was more sage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblonaut Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Good chapter. But did anyone else notice, that the trip from Castle Black to Greydoor must be much more than 40 leagues? Considering that the wall is 300 leagues in length. And did i read from somewhere, that Jon even said that it's a 1000 leagues long?? Or did I interpret it wrong, because did he say something like "There is one brother for one league of the wall" or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70gandalf Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 This was the first time, I actually liked Jon. He always seemed like a pompous a$$ to me. The look between him and Stannis at the end, BRILLANT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword of the North Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 SNOWNED!I'll have to use this anytime Jon does some serious ownage/pwnage.I've only read this far, but I'm enjoying Jon's chapters the most. But am I the only one who doesn't want Thorne to get off'ed? Having him take orders from Jon would be a sweeter dish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Honey-Pie Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 When I realised that we were getting the same events we already knew from Sam's POV from Jon's this time, I pulled out Feast and read them in parallel. Amazing! For example, where Jon just notices that Sam's looks like he wants to add something more at one point, but doesn't think more of it, Sam is actually torn about telling him that his brother Bran is still alive. I lent my copy of AFfC, so I can't check the text, but was it in fact determined that Sam knows it was Bran Stark he helped across the Wall and gave into Coldhands' care? If so, what rationale was given for Sam withholding that info from Jon? Sorry if it happens I've totally forgotten something relevant, but I can't see why Sam wouldn't tell Jon right away if he knew.Jon made some damn tough calls this chapter, and I love how he's growing into the role of Lord Commander. Slynt was SNOWNED indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Snow Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 I lent my copy of AFfC, so I can't check the text, but was it in fact determined that Sam knows it was Bran Stark he helped across the Wall and gave into Coldhands' care? If so, what rationale was given for Sam withholding that info from Jon? Sorry if it happens I've totally forgotten something relevant, but I can't see why Sam wouldn't tell Jon right away if he knew.Because he had to swear a vow not to tell anyone that Bran was still alive.GH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor's Honey-Pie Posted August 10, 2011 Share Posted August 10, 2011 Because he had to swear a vow not to tell anyone that Bran was still alive.GHThanks much, George Snow. I am totally blanking on that bit of info. Guess I'll need to reread that chappy when I get my book back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Forgot to mention, I really like the very end of this chapter, where Stannis meets Jon's eyes and gives him a brief nod. It's a very little thing, but I just felt like it was Stannis' way of saying 'Nicely handled.' Taking off Slynt's head for his insubordination was exactly the sort of unyielding justice that Stannis would approve of.I thought that too! I think it will only make Jon higher up in Stannis' estimation.I liked getting the conversation from Jon's POV, but I don't think it was necessary to rewrite all the tidbits of their conversation.So long Janos Slynt! That was extremely satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jory's Shade Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 I loved the speech Maester Aemon gave Jon. Kill the boy... to rule as a man He killed the boy and put Longclaw to good use. Well done and totally the outcome I wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchymilkshake Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I was very happy to how this chapter ended but I had a feeling it was going to happen. Jon taking care of his sword was a big hint how often has Jon been shown doing that? None that I can recall, also his thoughts of it being easy to slice through his body with his blade then Slynts' insolence. All after Aemons' advice to kill the boy within. GRRM could have made it a little less obvious about what was going to happen. I still enjoyed it though, the foreshadowing in the chapter was to obvious for my taste. As to Jon becoming to much like Ned I don't think so, he has plenty of Ned in him already he was just following the hardest lesson he taught his children carry out the sentence yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost the direwolf Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Janys Slynt's death and the it was laid out along with Jon's internal monologue was the best part of this chapter. I totally agree with you.I actually read the part 3 times yesterday evening in bed and was like Yes!yes, yes! this is good writing. Is was sooo great. And the fact that his smile has the sweetness of rancid butter was heaven and then he dare beg for merci .... I guess he just reallised that having friends in high places in KL does help at all when death is at your door step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moester Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 JON YOU BADASS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forelver Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Jon is learning what it means to be a true leader and rising to the task. And I loved finding out that Maester Aemon had been giving Jon so much input. When and if Mance finds out Jon saved his son, I wonder if he will try and find a way to repay the debt? Great chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fryie Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I agree with much that has been said, storywise this chapter was very interesting. However, I am pretty much sure it contains some of the crappiest writing I've ever read from GRRM.I mean, "and they talked a while about Stannis, Melisandre, Gilly, blahblah, until Jon said ...", seriously? Why not "and Jon killed Stannis, raped Melisandre, married Gilly, until he said ..." .....This is even worse than the verbatim passages from AFfC ... this is just stuff a fifth-grader would write. oO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrionthebest Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I agree with much that has been said, storywise this chapter was very interesting. However, I am pretty much sure it contains some of the crappiest writing I've ever read from GRRM.I mean, "and they talked a while about Stannis, Melisandre, Gilly, blahblah, until Jon said ...", seriously? Why not "and Jon killed Stannis, raped Melisandre, married Gilly, until he said ..." .....This is even worse than the verbatim passages from AFfC ... this is just stuff a fifth-grader would write. oONah, you just can't pay attention to anything and blame it on the writer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennelyn Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I was nervous for Jon while he was dealing with Slynt. I kept thinking there would be a mutiny! But what else could he do? The man was disobeying a direct order and laughing in his face while he did it. If he hadn't dealt swift punishment, he'd lose all respect and control of the NW. I know Jon hoped Janos would rise to the occasion, but his actions really dug his own grave. What did he expect?! Clearly he completely underestimated Jon. I imagine Jon's orders will be answered with a "yes, my lord!" from now on. I loved the moment when Jon decided to behead Slynt instead of hang him. He showed that he can back up his own death sentences. Of course the nod from Stannis was the cherry on top. Great chapter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laohu Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Rangers30, I hope you have not put a trademark on that quip, because it is just too good to pass up.Janos Slynt, you have just been Snowned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent23 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 it looks like "kill the boy" is going to becomes Jons "monologue-catchphrase" like Jaimes "shes been fucking....".Stannis' headnod speaks millions! i hope they form an alliance but i still feel like he might be a danger to Jon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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