Xray the Enforcer Posted July 12, 2011 Share Posted July 12, 2011 A discussion of the third Tyrion chapter. Do not discuss events from later in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doran Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 Tyrion gets to show off history and dragon lore, a bit like he did in AGOT. A bit heavy handed from Martin (why should the Maester quiz Tyrion about dragons?), but it seems pretty obvious to me that he is set up to guide Dany in these matters. Gerion is mentioned prominently, too, and didn't he disappear somewhere in Essos (Valyria)?And now Griff and young Griff. I remember there were many theories about them from old spoiler chapters. Let's see how they turn out.Interesting: "I am Hugor hill, a little monster. Your little monster, if you like". Very similar to what Coldhands says at the end of Bran I: "Your monster, Brandon Stark". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiec Posted July 14, 2011 Share Posted July 14, 2011 Gerion is mentioned prominently, too, and didn't he disappear somewhere in Essos (Valyria)?For some reason it occurred to me the moment I read it that Gerion is this "Prince of Sorrows" or "His Grey Grace", who was mentioned in this chapter. Why? I got a flashback to one of the things Dany saw in the House of the Undying about the dead grey man on the prow of the ship (can't remember the exact wording). And it would also be really clever because the Uncle Gerion that Tyrion knew was quick to laugh, and this Prince of Sorrows cannot laugh at all. And then there is that theory some have about the Sailor's Wife from AFFC and how she possibly is referring to Gerion when she refers to her "true" sailor husband. If His Grey Grace is indeed Gerion, then something terrible has happened to him... Really, I have no solid evidence, just a strange gut feeling. Has anyone read any other theories around this?As for Griff, and I know there was some talk about this in the part of the forum for people who have finished reading (I tried not to look too hard!) This might be too obvious, but could he be Jon Connington (whose sigil was a Griffin - there is a clue on this a few chapters further on but I can't elaborate for obvious reasons...) who supposedly drank himself to death in exile across the narrow sea... but what if that was some ruse to smuggle out a heir?I'm sure both of these have been mentioned somewhere, but I've been trying to avoid forums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duck Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 ha ha my forum name cropped up!I hope he's not a shit ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetrusOctavianus Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Ser Rolly grabbed Tyrion by the collar. "Let us see how dwarfs swim," he said, chucking him headlong into the Rhoyne.It would have been funnier if Ser Rolly tossed the dwarf. :leer:Septa Lemore: my first thought was that she is Ashara Dayne, whose body conveniently was not found after her alleged suicide. But if she was I'm sure Tyrion would have noticed her purple eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tammy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Ser Rolly grabbed Tyrion by the collar. "Let us see how dwarfs swim," he said, chucking him headlong into the Rhoyne.It would have been funnier if Ser Rolly tossed the dwarf. :leer:Septa Lemore: my first thought was that she is Ashara Dayne, whose body conveniently was not found after her alleged suicide. But if she was I'm sure Tyrion would have noticed her purple eyes.If you're write about that, and others are right about Griff being Connington, that would be two supposedly dead people whose bodies have never been found showing up.I didn't like Tyrion in this chapter at all. It seemed he was rude for no purpose. Maybe being away from the game is wearing on him. I wanted to see him humbled a little without his family connections, but he's just getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyMaester Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Ser Rolly grabbed Tyrion by the collar. "Let us see how dwarfs swim," he said, chucking him headlong into the Rhoyne.It would have been funnier if Ser Rolly tossed the dwarf. :leer: Septa Lemore: my first thought was that she is Ashara Dayne, whose body conveniently was not found after her alleged suicide. But if she was I'm sure Tyrion would have noticed her purple eyes. I think I read somewhere that Septa Lemore is probably Tyene Sand's mother. Tyene's mother was said to be a septa (before she bore a bastard daugter for Oberyn Martell.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmaester Timbo Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 Tyrion seems to be getting back too his old shrewd self and leaving behind some of the bitterness.... hurrah! I'm getting fed up with the excessive use of the verb 'waddling' by GRRM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvzz Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Sorry i need enlightenment. Why the need for Hugor Hill alias when tyrion already openly mentioned the crimes he did and that he killed tywin, and joffrey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Dandelion Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Sorry i need enlightenment. Why the need for Hugor Hill alias when tyrion already openly mentioned the crimes he did and that he killed tywin, and joffrey?Because his true identity is known only to Griff. Illyrio Mopatis mentioned that he is the only man he trusts, and when he read the letter he burned it..I guess that's because he wouldn't reveal Tyrion's identity to the rest of the company. Even if the rest of them knew, it would still be wise not to call the most wanted man in Westeros by his name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvzz Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Wow thank you! :) i kinda missed that. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jotabe1789 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Septa Lemore: my first thought was that she is Ashara Dayne, whose body conveniently was not found after her alleged suicide. But if she was I'm sure Tyrion would have noticed her purple eyes.I'm not so sure Tyrion would have noticed her eyes :cool4: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hound! Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 Because his true identity is known only to Griff. Illyrio Mopatis mentioned that he is the only man he trusts, and when he read the letter he burned it..I guess that's because he wouldn't reveal Tyrion's identity to the rest of the company. Even if the rest of them knew, it would still be wise not to call the most wanted man in Westeros by his name...How many noseless dwarves on the run can they be? Surely anyone would at the very least suspect he might be Tyrion Lannister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 I doubt anyone aboard the ship cares who he is, they are pledging alligiance to dany rightThey wouldn't turn back to claim a reward for turning him over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hound! Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Not a reward as such but the Lannister family is important, so of course they would care who he is. He is brother of the current Queen Regent of Westeros, that is important. Even if they don't mean to betray him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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