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[ADWD SPOILERS] Reek 3

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I too was puzzled about his resignation that Ramsay would kill any new kids that he would birth. If that's going to happen (and we know it would), then why does he still let Ramsay stay around? Is there something about Ramsay that makes Roose and his plans unattainable if he's removed from the equation? Something else is going on here between these two, though I have not a clue what it is.

My thought was that to Roose, being a kinslayer himself (which he would be if he did anything about Ramsay) is worse than letting Ramsay be one?

I care. Roose is very cruel, calculating, and easily hated but his evil pales in comparison to Ramsay. Ramsay is monstrously evil. Most of the cruel things Roose does can be explained or reasoned, Ramsay does much crueler things just for his own pleasure.

I haven't wanted someone to die a slow, excruciating, drawn out, well-described death so badly since Joffrey!

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You know my nephew was reading ACOK and he just wants Theon to be horribly tortured to death.

Can't wait to see what he thinks when he reads ADWD.

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It's sounds to me like the original Reek was close to Ramsay. He may have had an unnaturally close relationship with him, even an obsession. And because of that when he died he became him and then made Theon become him. I'm no Psychologist, but Ramsay is seriously disturbed. And boy do I hope that Roose is underestimating Manderly!

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Just a short, maybe stupid question. Do we get to know which Freys are missing? Are they important? First I thought that those two staying with Manderly got lost but I think that's wrong.

There are just too much of them, I get confused.

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Just a short, maybe stupid question. Do we get to know which Freys are missing? Are they important? First I thought that those two staying with Manderly got lost but I think that's wrong.

There are just too much of them, I get confused.

I think it is the two staying with the Maderly's that get lost. Doesn't Roose mention they didn't want to stay with Lord Manderly as he was taking too long?

I think it's also made clear to the reader that it was the Manderlys that killed them, although I could be wrong here.

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I think it is the two staying with the Maderly's that get lost. Doesn't Roose mention they didn't want to stay with Lord Manderly as he was taking too long?

I think it's also made clear to the reader that it was the Manderlys that killed them, although I could be wrong here.

Yeah, you're right.

And after continueing reading it's clear that those two missing *are* the ones who stayed with Manderly.

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Just read this chapter holy shit, I actually deeply felt for Reek/Theon more than ever before in this chapter in comparison to the previous ones. Also felt sick in my stomach for both Roose and Ramsey. What monster the first and what monster of monsters the second. Good chapter I guess.

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Very good point about Arya saying "my lord" to Roose. If we are truly to believe that Roose is so shrewd and sharp, then he had to know Nan was not what she appeared.

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Very good point about Arya saying "my lord" to Roose. If we are truly to believe that Roose is so shrewd and sharp, then he had to know Nan was not what she appeared.

Also, I have to admit that I started reading this chapter along with my breakfast. Needless to say, breakfast was left unfinished.

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But it was Roose Bolton who told "Nan" to calle him "My Lord".

Ha ha, I had forgotten that and that would explain it. Almost doubted our author for a sec...my mistake :bowdown:

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Excellent writing, Reek (Theon) his chapters are the best in the book so far, and I'm looking forward to read more of the poor boy. I've never, ever, felt so sorry for a certain fictional character. It's just a pain to read this chapters. I'll say it again: excellent writing.

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Also

we last saw Wyman Manderly in Davos chapter four.

Now we can assume that Davos chapter four occured after AFFC 25: Cersei 5 Cersei learns that Davos has been beheaded (according to Errant Bard's timeline this occured on the 15/03/300)

But if Davos chapter 4 occured during Wylis's welcome home feast then we can also safely assume that Davos chapter 4 ocured long enough for Wylis Manderly to arrive at White Harbour from Maidenpool.

Since Wylis Manderly (amongst other prisoners I think), is released from Harrenhal by Jaime in AFFC Jaime 3 (01/04/300 according to Errant' bards timeline). after which he was escorted by Red Ronnet Connington to Maidenpool, from whence he will catch a boat to White Harbour. If this the case then Davos chapter 4 occurs quite awhile after Jaime's 3rd chapter in AFFC...

Now we know that Wylis Manderly is at White Harbour when we see Wyman Manderly at this chapter, because I think it is mentioned that Wyman Manderly was feasting.

Therefore this chapter "Reek 3" must have occured well after Jaime's 3rd AFFC chapter. though if Davos 4 was Wylis's welcome home feast, then this chapter occurs quite awhile after Jaime's 3rd AFFC chapter.

Also if we can figure out a date for this, then we might be able to guess how long it takes to get from White Harbour to Barrowton, and from White Harbour to Winterfell.

(we know that in AGOT 04/07/298 Cat 3 Cat leaving Winterfell and has arrived in Kins landing on the 28/08/298 Cat 4 Arrives in KL) Since the journey to KL would be assumed to take up most of the time, we can safely assume that White Harbour to Winterfell and White Harbour to Barrowton takes less than 1 month.

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I'm just surprised at how self-aware Roose Bolton is.

Yes, I violated Ramsay's mother.

Yes, I know he's a monster.

Yes, I knew the real Reek.

Yes, I am aware that I'm surrounded by traitors and sycophants.

Yes, I am positive that I'll never be survived by another son.

[Possibly] Yes, I know that's not really Arya Stark.

It's just not the sort of candid conversation I would have expected from a high-born guy like Roose, much less to someone like Theon/Reek. I was almost Oprah-esque in its openness. It was very interesting but I kind of don't know what to make of it. Was it just for exposition?

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My thought was that to Roose, being a kinslayer himself (which he would be if he did anything about Ramsay) is worse than letting Ramsay be one?

I don't think he feels this is better in the bigger picture, he just doesn't want to be accursed.

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It seems many people here like Roose after that chapter. I don't understand this. If anything, now that we know he has violated the law and killed some men so he could rape a girl makes him way more evil. And the way he is bsaically says "Ramsay will murder my shildren. Oh, well, whatever. I guess it's for the best." WTF?! That's a twisted person right there. Not to mention that he's a traitor...

This. He's still utterly horrendous. You can see where Ramsay became so skewed in the first place.

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I just finished this chapter last nite and got the chills. So many things in this chapter. A definitely love/hate relationship between Roose/Ramsay and I don't think Roose really knows what to do about him. It seems that Sr. Bolton just wanted his title of Warden of the North and willing to get it by any means (Red Wedding and all) but I think he knows he can't control his son even with a wedding.

Why did Roose want to explain everything to Theon about Ramsay and then introduce him to Lady Barbrey as Theon? Then again, he is the only hostage they have to bargain with the Ironborne. I have to wonder though, how the northmen will feel when they find out what has happened to Theon by Ramsay. Could they really trust Roose?

I do hope that Reek stays with Roose, he may have a chance to live.

Now I'm really hoping Lady Stoneheart finds Ramsay and Roose..that would be a great ending for them.

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It seems many people here like Roose after that chapter. I don't understand this. If anything, now that we know he has violated the law and killed some men so he could rape a girl makes him way more evil. And the way he is bsaically says "Ramsay will murder my shildren. Oh, well, whatever. I guess it's for the best." WTF?! That's a twisted person right there. Not to mention that he's a traitor...

I'm guessing it's because we're essentially getting a direct comparison to Ramsay in the Reek chapters, and compared to his kid Roose might not be as bad. Plus he's nicer to Theon who we've been feeling horrible for for a few chapters now due to Ramsay's treatment of him. That said I'm totally in agreement, he's twisted and pretty much evil. I definitely don't like him after this chapter, I just like him better than Ramsay I suppose. This isn't saying much.

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Ramsay is such a psycho that his idea of a good time is a dinner with a mess everywhere, dogs running around the hall, skins (?) on the walls, a dead dog on the ground, and Reek randomly chained in the corner.

Roose gave him Reek because he assumed it'd be a poisonous gift but Ramsay has become so attached to Reek that he intentionally surrounds himself with someone who smells awful, actually replacing Roose's gag gift with another Reek.

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