colossus the unstoppable Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 If you really hate Jamie that much, as I do, then you might enjoy them to see how this proud lannister deals with his luck. I wont say more but it is worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capon Breath Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 OP - its very important you read the Jaime chapters, not because of Plot etc (i have finised ASOS yet so I dont know) but because if you dont you are positioning yourself in real life as someone who has to like people to treat them as human beings and pay them any heed. Imagine if the fictional Jaime read some snippets of your life - perhaps your less than finest moments as a snapshot told through the prejudiced eyes of other people? Would Jaime like you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmeister66 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I think reading Jaime's POV chapters are key to putting a lot of the pieces to this entire story together. You will learn a lot from reading his chapters, and I'm sure you will find yourself enjoying them as much as you enjoy your favorite characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JenC Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I would definitely reccommend reading Jaime's chapters - they're some of the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LethaLRabbit Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Jaime's POVs are among the moments of the series where Martin's ability as a writer really comes to shine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturn Girl Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I think maintaining a rigid "I don't ever want to change my opinion about character X" stance is something that will impede enjoyment of any story, not just this series. Who wants to read a book where there are no surprises and none of the characters ever evolve?Personally, I enjoyed the Jaime chapters the most in ASOS, and that was a pleasant surprise. And there are several characters where my feelings about the characters changed over time based on their actions and POV chapter revelations. I used to like Dany, but now she either bores me or downright annoys me, and I once loathed Theon but found him more interesting as the story progressed.Skimming over the Jaime chapters means missing most of Brienne's character development, too since she's primarily glimpsed via his POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSlayersOath Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Don't skip them! I hated the Kingslayer the first 2 book s and now.... well look at my screen name:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mance Rayder Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 For real, we've been meant to hate jaime for the first two books because we've seen everything from every point of view but his own, but now after hearing his side of a lot of his backstory, my perspective on a LOT of things have changed. stick with it, he'll keep it interesting to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGhostofNymeria Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I rather enjoyed his chapters, his character growth and development is one of the most drastic of them. His point of view was entertaining, though I think Tyrion stands as my favorite POV to read just because of how his mind works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lys Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 I think the point of the series is that everyone is grey, just as in real life, even the 'good' characters do stupid things at times. I'm a quarter into book 2 of ASoS and have enjoyed reading Jaime's POV, definitely learning loads about the previous war through his POV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaraktheHirsute Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 It's hard not to like Jaime. At the same time, it's hard to forget he defenestrated a 7-year old boy. Even Cersei objected to that (ostensibly, anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxtar Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I went from loathing Jamie in the previous books to absolutely loving him in ASoS. Some of the best PoV's in any of the books. So yeah, totally worth it and necessary. ^ This. In my opinion, he's one of the best POV's in ASoS. Loved his POV. And Tyrion's, as always. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaraktheHirsute Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Yes, Tyrion's are often the most entertaining. Cersei, of course, has a POV in Book 4, but I've forgotten that book for the most part. I can't remember if there was anything to be sympathetic about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mance Rayder Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I love that these are books about CHARACTERS. and each character has a unique lens to see the world through based on that character's experiences. it gives the reader the freedom/responsibility of deciding where the truth lies. As a reader, you're forced to draw your own conclusions about the value and meaning of the book's events. its makes this a really rewarding read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGhostofNymeria Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 I went from loathing Jamie in the previous books to absolutely loving him in ASoS. Some of the best PoV's in any of the books. So yeah, totally worth it and necessary. ^ This. In my opinion, he's one of the best POV's in ASoS. Loved his POV. And Tyrion's, as always. :P I agree with both of these statements. I really enjoy their points of view although I'm in no way a Lannister fan. (Well, except I'm always a fan of Tyrion, and have been from the beginning, that won't change for me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crannog Man Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I think it's important to read the Jaime POVs. Don't want to spoil so I'll just say the realization of his own mortality once removed from the womb of Kings Landing, Tourneys, and Cersei change him immensely (for the better IMO). For me, his experiences distance him from Cersei and help him see how pathetic she really is which, if your a Cersei-hater, like myself, is sweet as Arbor Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGhostofNymeria Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I think it's important to read the Jaime POVs. Don't want to spoil so I'll just say the realization of his own mortality once removed from the womb of Kings Landing, Tourneys, and Cersei change him immensely (for the better IMO). For me, his experiences distance him from Cersei and help him see how pathetic she really is which, if your a Cersei-hater, like myself, is sweet as Arbor Gold.(First, I like your name because I tend to like the Crannogmen) Agreed. I find I come to like him a bit more towards the end. Cersei is ridiculous, complains she should have been born a male because she truly thinks she would be able to do better than her brothers (I disagree, she's irrational, and because of this tends to make quick decisions without completely thinking things through that don't always benefit her). Either way, I think he still cares about her very much, but is beginning to see her in a different light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaraktheHirsute Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Rather than start another thread, I though I'd ask this here: Was Tyrion a bit too harsh towards Jaime after the latter's confession re: Tysha? Yes, it was awful what Tywin and Jaime did to Tyrion (mostly Tywin, of course) but might it not be said that Jaime freeing Tyrion could go some way towards making them even? Just wondering. It was sad to see the two brothers become estranged so quickly, in any case. Anyway, I look forward to the Jaime chapters in AFFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerGhostofNymeria Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Rather than start another thread, I though I'd ask this here: Was Tyrion a bit too harsh towards Jaime after the latter's confession re: Tysha? Yes, it was awful what Tywin and Jaime did to Tyrion (mostly Tywin, of course) but might it not be said that Jaime freeing Tyrion could go some way towards making them even? Just wondering. It was sad to see the two brothers become estranged so quickly, in any case. Anyway, I look forward to the Jaime chapters in AFFC.In a way yes I feel that Tyrion was too harsh, considering that I feel Jaime was sincere in his remorse. However, at the same time you have to realize that Tyrion has not had a chance of seeing Jaime's change, but I feel if he had known the way Jaime had grown he might not have been so harsh, though I'm positive he still would not have been kind upon learning that.Despite that though, in a way part of me feels like Jaime deservedly because he never said anything sooner, at least not until his character personality development in ASoS. Had he been the same Jaime as before (like in GoT), I feel he would not have told Tyrion at all.In turn, I do not think that Tyrion had to lie when answering Jaimie's question... whether Tyrion had killed Joffrey, or not.He was lying, right? I'm 99% sure he was..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crannog Man Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 (First, I like your name because I tend to like the Crannogmen) Agreed. I find I come to like him a bit more towards the end. Cersei is ridiculous, complains she should have been born a male because she truly thinks she would be able to do better than her brothers (I disagree, she's irrational, and because of this tends to make quick decisions without completely thinking things through that don't always benefit her). Either way, I think he still cares about her very much, but is beginning to see her in a different light.Thanks, I like the collage of Direwolf names too. Agreed, I was sad to see the brothers part as well especially the way it happened. I'm sure Tyrion was wrought with bitterness and betrayal by that time though I mean, he defended (some could say saved) Kings Landing with much honor, finally felt worthy of his father and then...Hello! no Vaseline, no kiss afterwards...just a dry fracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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