longlivestark Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 ETA: I'm don't know if can write without using spoiler tags here...can i? I'll edit the post if spoiler tags are not needed :)Anyway, i've just realized a thing that bugged me for a while. It's about POV for winds. 2 months before ADWD's release, we knew the names of all the POVs (with the exception of Connington, but we also knew he only had two chapters) .. now, if Jon is not dead and he's going to be a POV again (although i think the title of his chapters will change, at least for a while), how can Martin think he's going to keep it a secret? I'll explain: even if he doesn't tell us, Jon is a character who has always at least 5 chapters. As soon as he'll be done with Winds (i'm hoping for 2/3 years, wishful thinking) he's probably going to tell us which characters are POV, and we will probably be able to guess the rest. Something like "there are 10 pov characters you know about, plus two more i'm not telling you who have 9 chapters between them" is still not enough (we know a lesser, random POV will never are more than 2-3 chapters)So, i'm guessing that, if jon will be back, either won't be a POV or we'll know about it before the book comes out.. What do you think?Does he ever tell us the exact number of chapters before release? He told us WHO was a POV character in the book, and he told us which characters got the most chapters (Jon, Dany, and Tyrion), but he never told us how many chapters each character gets, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whatever Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 as far as i remember, he did say something like "Dany & Jon are getting a lot of chapters. Next comes tyrion. Theon has a few chapters as well, 3 are KL-related".. Also, even if he wouldn't talk about the number of chapters every character gets, he is surely going to say WHO is in, so i don't see how he can keep whether jon is a POV (alive) or not (probably dead) a secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Lord Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Also, even if he wouldn't talk about the number of chapters every character gets, he is surely going to say WHO is in, so i don't see how he can keep whether jon is a POV (alive) or not (probably dead) a secretHe can say as much or as little as he wants. Obviously he knows about the issue you're bringing up and he may choose to reveal the answer, or he may choose to keep it obscured. Just because he revealed most of the ADWD POVs in advance doesn't mean he has to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamlife Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'm hoping for Sansa or Sam. I don't expect to get a Jon/Ghost/Azor chapter until the book is actually released, because that would be too much of a spoiler. We got a little bit of Arianne and Brienne in ADWD so I'd rather it be characters we haven't heard about in quite some time. I never did like Aeron so I could do without reading his chapter. I wouldn't mind the reveal of the prologue chapter, actually, knowing the prologue often sets the theme for the novel.I ditto the request for someone to record the reading :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 what, no chapter summary yet? i'm shocked at you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen M Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 what, no chapter summary yet? i'm shocked at you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lady Snow Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 So soon? :stunned: *crossing fingers for a Sansa chapter*Me too! I rather miss reading of her personality evolution, her relationship with Littlefinger and also with Sweetrobin (which I believe will be Littlefinger's downfall), and cannot wait to see where this arc goes : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King of Worms Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 What about mystery POV's? I am hoping for a Mance POV. I'd like to hear from someone new... like Osha. Or even one titled RAMSAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheriffkiller Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Ramsay pov FTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daenerys snow Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 no. not ramsay. :ack: roose. roose bolton would be awesome. :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Fett Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Reading a Ramsay chapter would be like reading medieval-themed A Clockwork Orange. The only Ramsay POV I'd like to see is one that ends with him sans head. For those at the con, has there been any other discussion of the chapters moved from Dance to Winds (other than the 2 battle)? Will he be reading anything other than the Arianne chapter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadence Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 It's pretty much conclusively shown in aDwD that Coldhands identity is irrelevant. He is simply a dead guy who has been reanimated somehow - a 'good' wight - for the purpose of bring Bran and Co to the Children of the Forest and the Three-eyed Crow.He had his face covered. The most likely explanation for this is precisely because his identity *is* relevant, and that Bran would have recognized him. Now it could also be because his face is too 'scary' for the kids and injured in some nasty way. But after he is revealed as being undead there is less reason to conceal it. And I think most of us know how Martin works by now - Coldhands concealing his face because of his identity is standard. Whereas if Coldhands was too ugly, Martin would probably revel describing Bran's reaction to the monstrous disgusting visage :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toiltoil Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Would have loved it to be a Jamie chapter,,, :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddardStarkForever Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 no. not ramsay. :ack: roose. roose bolton would be awesome. what? he killed robb! :frown5: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daenerys snow Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 what? he killed robb! :frown5: i know. but don't you wanna know what's going on in his head? i do. i find him fascinating and even though he murdered robb stark i cannot hate him. but i can hate his bastard and don't give a flying fuck about his pov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liza360 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I hope in TWOW there's more Bran's chapter. And the finally reveal Cold Hand. hold on a second. i thought Cold Hands was Benjen Stark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jurble Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 hold on a second. i thought Cold Hands was Benjen Stark? His identity hasn't even been hinted at, ever aside from the fact he was a NW member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Young Wolf 1989 Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 I hope it's a Jaime Chapter!! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan_Sasse Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 You know what I would find cool? When the first chapter of TWOW would be titled "Bowen". :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrionthebest Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 You know what I would find cool? When the first chapter of TWOW would be titled "Bowen". :)Shouldn't it be called prologue though ? I mean the books always has the prologue as the title of the first chapter and not names of the characters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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