Tyrellius Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 :DProven right here folks. Speechifying is contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodomens Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 :DProven right here folks. Speechifying is contagious.Yeah I kind of went on a thing there. But.. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stego Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 IStego, Stego, you 'know so much'.Let me pierce the veil a little bit... The roughly dozen comments that got deleted -- that we deleted -- were all of the "you're !@%& crazy" variety. If we were sterilizing the fields, you'd see a heck of a lot less of the dissenting opinion in that thread. I take it you were part of the raff? And I'm sure you're totally surprised your comment got razed...But any who, since when is that a problem for anyone? We all have a right to say whatever we want, but don't act surprised to get tossed out the door if you're standing in someone else's house doing it. With everything that may be to make fun of, are you really stooping to manufacturing complaint?Your tone is intended to be insulting, yes? That's cute.To be perfectly forthcoming, this is the first time in the history of these Tairy hating threads that I've ever posted. I always thought they were mean-spirited and that the joke was played out. He's a mediocre fantasist with infantile political opinions and rape fantasies. I get it. Enough already.I certainly would not post to a facebook full of drooling troglodytic basement-dwelling Randians in my own name. But I read some when it was posted to Reddit. And I literally saw dissenting views dissapear. And so, you are either ignorant or a liar, goodomens. (Neither being a huge surprise based upon your chosen 'affiliations.')I'm not coming back to this thread. I simply don't care. I just wanted to point out that Tairy has gone even more batshit insane. This is a BIG FUCKING DEAL. Naming and shaming with personal details will probably end up with Tairy being far poorer and/or in jail. As it should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjgambino Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think what Goodkind did in response to his pirated ebook is pretty funny as long nobody kills the guy or anything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I think what Goodkind did in response to his pirated ebook is pretty funny as long nobody kills the guy or anything...That's what I was trying to imply yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjgambino Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Unless the psycho fan kills the guy in a particularly hilarious way... then I guess it'd be funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTinyKittens Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Maybe they'll stab him in the heart to see if he turns into a Confessor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodomens Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I certainly would not post to a facebook full of drooling troglodytic basement-dwelling Randians in my own name. But I read some when it was posted to Reddit. And I literally saw dissenting views dissapear. And so, you are either ignorant or a liar, goodomens. (Neither being a huge surprise based upon your chosen 'affiliations.')"I read some..." And I'm either ignorant or lying.You said Terry deleted anyone that disagreed. It's obvious he did not. Go look at the thread. There are plenty of dissenting opinions. I also explained it wasn't Terry doing the deleting. There's a small outfit of us that helps moderate things -- just like here and any other forum. And what got scorched was the negative ranting and cursing. So no, Stego.You have a very funny interpretation of the law. But that's par for the course. More on another subject you know nothing about I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodomens Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 I think what Goodkind did in response to his pirated ebook is pretty funny as long nobody kills the guy or anything...Yep we agree. And not one person has threatened to harm the guy. Anyone that thinks something beyond this will happen, has a pretty wild imagination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkynJay Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Sorry, this is crazy. The ONLY reason to post personal info like this is to invite vigilante justice. By my thinking this is wrong. What other outcome can be hoped for?Maybe I have a wild imagination, but i can think if several bad scenerios. Guess I am just crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 [MOD]A reminder that it is against the rules of this forum to air 'dirty laundry' from other places on the internet.Please cease all discussion of what may or may not have happened elsewhere on the net.If the discussion of events elsewhere continues this thread will be closed - as will further iterations of this topic.Thanks in advance.[/MOD] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodomens Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 [MOD]A reminder that it is against the rules of this forum to air 'dirty laundry' from other places on the internet.Please cease all discussion of what may or may not have happened elsewhere on the net.If the discussion of events elsewhere continues this thread will be closed - as will further iterations of this topic.Thanks in advance.[/MOD]Understood. With apologies. So the book (TFC: The Legend of Magda Searus).. Has anyone else read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Ok, I Can derail this in a different direction let's see....Oh! How bout that mordsith cos-play! Let's talk about that. Women in tight leather with magic dildos! Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagilki Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 What kind of magic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTinyKittens Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 So why did Terry break the (admittedly loose) continuity with his other books? I guess I'm asking if it was intentional or just a result of writing without a publisher's editor. Although LO9s had a real editor and still managed to take a dump on its own continuity (most notably the specific inclusion of a security force at the end that completely failed to do its job with no explanation and which is never seen again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Understood. With apologies. So the book (TFC: The Legend of Magda Searus).. Has anyone else read it?Based on the reviews of Tormund and some other areas of the web, apparently I did read it. When it was callled Wizard's First Rule or Temple of the Winds or The Stone of Tears or Blood of the Fold...Ok, I Can derail this in a different direction let's see....Oh! How bout that mordsith cos-play! Let's talk about that. Women in tight leather with magic dildos! Yeah!It takes all kinds...how many are basing their desire to be mord-siths on the TV show rather than the books? Get a rumble of those two groups going. HAWT! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grack21 Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Yeah, the TV show derailed slightly from the ah..'books'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souran Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I hate to break it to everyone, especially Tormund who has so ignobly sacrificed himself for us in a manner that proves him to a deathchooser of the first order but Terry DID NOT break the continutity of the series in this book. Tormunds own reviews of the "chainfire trilogy" reveal that all this stuff about the book of counted shadows being a fake and the sword of truth being God's phallis actually originates at the end of the "1st series" where Richard used the Boxes of Orden. Terry's decision to compleltly and wholly invaldate the 1st book of his series is one of the most vital of human themes Terry could choose to write about. The theme of discovering that everything you ever thought was wrong and that "living your own life" means doing what your superiors tell you without question.To furhter illustrate my point lets look at the things that the first books has Richard do, think and learn and compare to the end of the series and see how much our human themes have changed.1: In Wizards First Rule Zedd and Richard discuss the fact that people who commit evil or stand opposed to Richard/Zedd/Kahlan do so becuase they believe their actions are Just, couragous and moral. They honestly believe in their cause just as much as the Hero does his own and its exactly their ability to justify any amount of torture, violence, or immorality for the sake of their cause that makes them evil.By the end of the end of "Confessor" Richard has learned that having anything less than absolute faith in yourself and your ideals is shameful and evil. Further, if you know your ideals are good bcause you belive them so fervently then clearly any extrimism taken in the defense of those values is moral in and of itself. Clearly anybody who does not agree with Richards well reasoned ideals does so out of a desire to be evil and there is no obligation NOT to repay violence with violence in kind.2: In "Wizards First Rule" it is made clear that the Sword of Truth can only be used against those that the wielder is completly sure are the enemy of the wielder. This is a safeguard. The sword of truth offers a person a level of power over others. They cannot use it for indescrimate slaughter, they must use it with conviction. You must actually be willing to learn to be the seeker. You cannot use the weapon against a person who you are not convinced is your enemy. How could a child or an unarmed elderly man truely be your enemy? Even that level of doubt restricts the power of the sword. It must be used with noble purpose.By "Confessor" Richard has discovered that anybody who does not think EXACTLY like he does IS his enemy. Anyone who will not follow his lead is a just as much a foe as Jagang. He uses the sword to slaughter crowds of unarmed protestors or people who are confused and scared about the ideas he brings. He has no qaulm or hesitation. By definition he can't or the sword would not be usable. Instead he has modified his own beliefs to come to the understanding that people who do not agree with him ARE his enemy.3: In "wizard's first rule" Richard discovers that Panis Rahl made all the red fruit in the midlands into a poison out of spite for its people, even thought it also afflicted D'hara his own people. Further, Darken Rhal's goal in the first book is to utilize the Boxes of Orden to bring everyone in the world under his control. Their power obliterates free will and lets the user remake the world after their own desire. This is evil because its the antithesis of free will. If a person can "unmake" the actions of others or even worse change their thinking to match his own by force then nobody has any rights whatsover. Rhals decision to use the boxes, and his acceptance of ideas like collective punishment reveal him to be an evil of the highest order. He is unwilling to treat with people as individuals and wishes to dominate them and force them to accept his views without question.By the end of "Confessor" Richard has utlizied the boxes of Orden to collectively punish all the people who don't agree with his way of thinking regadless of if they ever had any exposure to his philosphy at all. Part of avoiding the collective punishment is being willing to debase yourself in a form of Daily worship of Richard Rahl that clarifies that he is THE leader and only "in his light [we] thrive." Only through collective punishment could Richard save his people from the ideas of the orld world wihich were antithetical to his own. Only by taking up the defacto god-hood provided by the boxes of orden could he make sure that only HIS ideas survive, regardless of the fact that utilizng the boxes must be a clear violation of the free-will of every individual in existance, it is justified because some of those people don't agree with Richard who is always right.4: In "Wizards First Rule" Forgiveness is an important theme. Richard eventually learns to forgive Denna because he realizes that even though she has commited great evil and harm to him and others she is not fullly culpable becasue she was forced into a life that she didn't have any choice about. Simiarly Kahalan is always sad when she had to use her powers to prove a persons innocence or guilt because it destroyes them and the best forgiveness that can be given is to transform them into something else. Richard is able to forgive his brother for the crimes against his own person, but he can't forgive him for his actions against others. The ability to emphasize with people, to understand that they were drawn to certain situations and to forgive people but also exact appropriate justice even when it harms Richard is a theme of compassionate justice.By "confessor" Richard has decided that people who do not agree with him are death-choosers and having chosen death that killing them is acceptable regardless of how they act. Punishing people for the way they think is fine if they do not think reasonably which means exactly as Richard thinks. Further, any level of henious crime is excused if you are willing to come over to Richard's side. Nicci is a person who never answers for the harm she caused to others in the name of her old ideology. In fact, she returns to the THE VERY TORTUROUS ACTS that supposedly made her a bad person once she joins Richard's team only now any of those actions are justified because her goals are good and we know this because she is on Richards side which means that we know for a fact that what she is doing is justified. Justice and Forgness are seconadary to being right.In these ways we see the complete overturning of the philisophical underpinnings of Wizard's First Rule. Everything the characters fought for is shown to be nieve or wrong by the end of Confessor. The absolutelism that was what made Darken Rhal evil is the very CORE of Richard's strength. The series should be viewed as a travel from the views that are held in Wizard's First Rule to the ones held in Confessor. Richard learns that evil is only evil when its done by other people!I told you all of that in order to explain this. "The First Confessor" is not a retconn, The Yeard has no need for things like consistancy in his books about human themes. (Also we have already seen that he spent 11 books retconning his one somewhat readable fantasy novel)Instead "The First Confessor" is actually a trap for those death choosers who like to analyze literature. We all know that he Yeard does not do world building. However, "The First Confessor" is mostly about how the sword of truth came to be, the orgin of the boxes of orden, the Rhal Cant, the seperation of the old world. Indeed, to the untrained eye of a death chooser this book appears to be little more than a book to illuminate the history and setting of dickland and solidifiy the continutity as developed in the last three books. However, again, we KNOW that the Yeard DOES NOT DO WORLDBUILDING. Therefore this book cannot be about worldbuilding. There must be a secret message in the book that only those who are able to see the important human themese hiding BEHIND the "Not-World-Building" can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zcrow Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 clap...........clap..........clap.....clap...clap..clap.clap,clap,clap,clapMy head almost exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMountainGoat Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Brilliant analysis Souran.If Terry had actually set out to write the story of a man who starts out heroic and by small barely noticeable steps along his life's journey becomes a tyranic despot, the very kind of evil he fought against in the first place, then we would be hailing him as something of a genius writer. Sadly this isn't what he intended and Terry genuinely believes Richard is the good guy of the story, but he really really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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